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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein you know this is why

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the episodes of the Power casts where we

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hardly have to do any work other than

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read listener questions for the

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appearance of Richard Dolan we've gotten

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quite a few you know more than we're

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gonna be able to handle yeah one of our

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listeners asked what it doesn't

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questions or something like that easily

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so really they can just do the interview

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we'll sit back and read questions and

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that's it they tell you before we get on

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there is a topic that shall not be named

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that will be dealt with at the start of

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our interview and that's it

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obviously we have to ask a couple of

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questions but I really don't want to get

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into the minutiae I do have a source by

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the way that I'm plumbing at the

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reservation right now and I'm I'm I'm

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waiting I was told within 48 hours I

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should at least have an indication

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whether we can actually get photographs

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of the of the deceased before it's

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buried and I have somebody working on

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that from the back door so you should be

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interesting I hope you know our respect

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to the dearly departed but you know to

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put this thing to bed finally you know

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put a huge railroad spike right in the

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the old coffin here I think it's

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important bus didn't Jaime say that if

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somebody could get a photograph it was

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worth 15 grand or something somebody

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told me that I'll tell you what you get

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a photo I'll take five percent okay but

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I'll have nothing to do with it so

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probably I won't deserve anything but

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you know I'm just trying just trolling

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for a little bit of extra cash there so

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if it works fine you know we talked so

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much here about conspiracy theories on

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the para Casa let me give you a

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conspiracy theory that has nothing to do

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with the paranormal

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oh boy but you're in the music business

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so you appreciate this so here we go

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so as this show is broadcast a little

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over a week ago one of the most famous

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musical artists of our time Taylor Swift

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25 years of age writes this blog entry a

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tumblr complaining that Apple is not

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going to pay royalties for the first 90

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days on their new Apple music service

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that's when you get a free trial so

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anyone who signs up you get the free

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service for 90 days and you have to pay

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for it during that 90-day period they'll

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pay no royalties that was the original

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plan and she said no that's no good

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she will withhold her album called 1989

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by the way that's her birth year 1989

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that's why she calls the album 1989 you

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know how are we good well he's a baby

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yeah she is younger than my son who was

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born in 1986 boy I feel old and she's

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taller than my son also by the way but

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we don't want to get into that all right

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seriously speaking okay so she complains

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to Apple that evening an Apple executive

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named Eddy Cue says he talked to Tim

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Cook the CEO and they agreed to pay the

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royalties and since then they have made

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arrangements with a load of indie

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artists and labels to pay a royalty

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during this 90 day period good for them

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now think of all the free publicity that

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Apple and Taylor Swift have received as

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a result of this so what's the

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conspiracy here's its ugly head

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what's the conspiracy folks it was a

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put-up job it's like the worldwide

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rustling thing you know we have the good

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wrestlers the bad rustlers pretend to be

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enemies and they staged a fake fight

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right well you know when you're as

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good-looking as Taylor Swift it is

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talented a songwriter and crossover

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artist like that and a fashion maven hey

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more power tour you know I think Apple's

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smart to utilize the the charm and the

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the talent if that's indeed what

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happened yeah interesting conspiracy

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theory I don't know whether it's true

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whether it's worth anything but my

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number here they're selling product yeah

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okay if it was Microsoft we wouldn't be

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talking about this you know you know our

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listeners know that but Microsoft

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okay hey gene has another show it's

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called tech night out live and boy I'll

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tell you if you like max he's your guy

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it's not just about max my friend well

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we talk about security we know other

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stuff other than Apple products but do

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you ever mention the word PC if unless

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you absolutely have to well one of our

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regular guests is a guy named Avram pill

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choose the online editorial director

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from laptop magazine and I assure you we

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talk about a lot we have in max yep in

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Linux too sometimes not so much I mean

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we got a really exciting show to do here

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I you know it's always fun to have

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Richard on he's very articulate he's

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gotten himself into a little bit of

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controversy here as of late so obviously

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we're gonna have to get his thoughts on

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that and you know it's it's been a while

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since the second volume of an UFOs in

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national security state came out I

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wonder where he's at with that

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all-important 92 mm I'm not sure what

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the dates are on it but I think it

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starts at what about 93 or 92 and goes

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to to the present day I think or close

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to it we'll have to ask him about that

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it's been a while right he had that book

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of course about UFOs in the 21st century

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mind that was one that came out what the

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year or two ago no it was about a year

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and it came in about the same time my

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book did a little after so it would have

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been a year ago yeah it's a good book I

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recommend it for people who are new to

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the field listeners you know I don't

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normally go on the air and recommend

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books but I'll tell you I was very

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impressed with which is treatment of the

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subject you know there's a few things in

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there that you know inside baseball

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stuff that I might you know differ with

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him but in terms of looking at the

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phenomenon from a cultural and a

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political perspective

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along with you know aerospace and

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another outlier you know type topics I

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think it's very very well done and and

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even someone who's well versed in the

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field in his has read a lot of the

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classics will learn something from it

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it's very very well done and I'm I'm

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glad he took the time to do it it's also

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very it's an extensive book too it's 500

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something pages I mean it's it's a big

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book and it's a great reference source

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and now we'll just have to charge

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Richard for that wonderful commercial we

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have special rates for Richard I'll tell

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him by the way he also wrote that book

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with Brice Sabol right after they ad

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after disclosure and we had a lot of fun

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talking about that yeah so it's not a

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lot of interesting work and he has a

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publishing company now and he brings out

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several books a year a small press bring

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out some interest as our Ron rigors book

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another damn book on Roswell

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some pretty interesting stuff in there

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I've read it it's man something new

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about Roswell just oh well you know it's

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gonna come out so you know Mazal get it

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all out there put it out there keep it

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out there

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we'll ask ya we'll ask Richard about

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about that book then should be

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interesting to hear what he has to say

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yeah it's gonna be interesting to see

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where we take that yep in the meantime a

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camera project is going to be moving

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ahead and so are we here at the para

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cast we've got a big show a lot of

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questions remember if you want to be

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part of the questioning process here and

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be part of our virtual panel go to forum

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dr. Peric ask.com look for the question

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thread you know sign up first look for

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the question thread and you can post

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questions a week ahead of time generally

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for our guess that's how we do it by the

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way that's the secret now some people

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have said why don't you just take phone

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calls and the problem with that is we're

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recording this show at different times

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if we did it live for GCM they could

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handle it on their network console but

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not at 3 o'clock in the morning I mean

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after all we wouldn't ask guest to be

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there at that hour the advantage of what

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is that we can work with the guests to

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say an ideal schedule and they're awake

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I know when I've ever I've done an

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all-night radio show it's not my comfort

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zone I'm not awake for it by the way we

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want you to be awake and realize there's

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not much time left Chris is going to

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tell me one day I can't keep giving away

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copies of stalking the tricksters but

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para cast calm so before this segment

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began I was looking at Richard Dolan's

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bio and found out that a thousand or two

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years ago not that long you know not as

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long as I've been around he was born in

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Brooklyn New York

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my old hometown and we're talking about

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the old neighborhood now understand my

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old neighborhood was Newport Street near

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Hopkinson Avenue in Brownsville section

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and I live there I don't know five or

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six years maybe more than that I lived

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there I think until my late brother

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Wally got married but right now I don't

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think it's much of a neighborhood a lot

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of parts of Brooklyn by the way are

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really exclusive neighborhoods now they

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do filming there they have beautiful

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homes Richard you weren't born in a slum

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where you know I I wasn't gene I was

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born in a very kind of working-class

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neighborhood though in Brooklyn I was

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born in Kings County Hospital in 1962

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and for the first nearly five years of

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my life I lived on 1386 Greene Avenue

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I'm looking right ahead and map right

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near Knickerbocker Avenue in the kind of

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north not far from Queens looks like not

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far from even not far from Jamaica

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Avenue I'm seeing here on the map I

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haven't been back there in a long time

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you down to Brownsville my dad was a cop

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in Brownsville back in the 70s well

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that's after I left that area I would

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think so it would get but it got to be a

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really really tough slum actually during

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the 70s it was just 75th precinct in

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fact I had many many conversations with

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my dad about that area I'll have to look

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up the address 102 Newport Street

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Brooklyn New York and see what's up

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hey people from Brooklyn gotta stick

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together that's what I say don't sound

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like you're

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Brooklyn words mood move from after just

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walk like this they'll talk like this

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everybody yeah Long Island when I first

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came back from my first semester in

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college had gone upstate New York and

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this is exactly true

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I had a friend I'm hanging out with him

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after my first semester in college and

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back on Long Island and he said exact

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words hey Richie what's wrong with you

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you don't talk normal no more and it's

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exactly how every one of my friends I

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think I talk when I was growing up I I'm

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pretty sure I sounded exactly like that

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but when I left the area I became aware

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that oh wow there's like a whole world

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of people who don't sound exactly like

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they're from New York yeah a Long Island

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while you were talking I went under

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Google Maps mm-hmm I found a street view

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of 102 Newport Street taken in 2013 it

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looks to me like it's the very same

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brick house out of a brick little house

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it was a four family house so you had a

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family in the front and rear on both

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floors and it looks kind of grungy but

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not as bad as I thought it would well

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check it out I'm looking at I think I've

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got 1386 Green Avenue the neighborhood

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actually looks nicer now I was living

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there I gotta make sure I'm looking at

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the exact I think I see it anyway

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the cars look newer that's for sure I

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lived in the southernmost house in

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Riverdale right on the Spuyten Duyvil

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River underneath the Henry Hudson

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Parkway bridge Wow we're all from the

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same general area there well not really

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I mean I'm just across the the northern

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tip of Manhattan enough in the big grand

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scheme of things

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well I only lived there two years but

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then I lived in Manhattan for what eight

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years okay the other thing we have on

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Hopkinson here we have the Church of the

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Living God reaching all nations and next

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to that we have a deli

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always with the delis in New York

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everything else yeah

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what would you be without the the second

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Avenue deli best matzo ball soup on the

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planet

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you know I feel bad about that because

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sometimes we try the mish-mosh soup here

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at chompy's in the Phoenix area and

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that's a mixture of yeah the matzo balls

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and the kreplach and all that stuff all

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that stuff mixed together crap like for

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a reason yeah well they can call it crap

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I think that's pretty decent but nowhere

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near as good listen folks this is not

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the old neighborhood show you might

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think it is but I thought before we get

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started with a million and one questions

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of Richard Dolan well ask him the one

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the 800-pound gorilla in the room and

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about the topic that shall not be named

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oh okay yeah when we had the event in

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Mexico City

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I caught Richard I kind of grabbed him

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by the neck or something online on skype

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and said come on the show for a few

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minutes and he did he was gracious about

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it I can't remember what I said I'd

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probably said something really you have

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a chance now to change what you said

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because this is it

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I just want no you didn't say anything

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you you know we were very circumspect

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about the whole thing and you know I'm

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actually glad to have a chance to do

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this so you know I'm almost amused or

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bemused by some of the people to say

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well Richard all it needs to apologize

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for going down and and and then now

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there's a there's someone I don't even

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know this guy is some assistant mufon

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state director who thinks that I should

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be banned from is it MUFON or all

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companies we had this mentioned in this

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week's this past week's episode after

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the power cast he said you and Tom Kerry

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and Donald Schmitt and anthony big

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awliya and certainly jaime moose on

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anyone associated with this enterprise

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for whatever reason should be banned

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from MUFON conferences and I really

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don't care

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I mean I don't know who this guy is who

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is he he's the chief investigator what

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does that mean what's his name I don't

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know I've never heard of him before is

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he from gene Wisconsin or someplace or

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something like that I mean I had the

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news clip with

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is mentioning this yeah well anyway

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pretty much everybody in the field or at

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least I've met them and have their name

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in my phonebook you know long enough to

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annoy MUFON more than once I been

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unofficially yeah when was the last time

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you spoke at MoveOn 2011 and and before

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that I spoke five times in the space of

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ten years eight they loved me I they had

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me there every year every year and then

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in 2011 I entered the entire MUFON elite

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actually by talking unexpectedly to them

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about the need for MUFON to reform I

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said this at the end I'll and it went

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down so well well it was it was very

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well received by the MUFON attendees I

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will say that but yeah clifford cliff

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who was the international director at

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the time got very angry and I've never

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been invited back so I'm like whatever I

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knew that would happen probably when I

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gave my remarket you brought up a good

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point I think and also I think there

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should be accountability when when MUFON

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is using this hangar 1 show which you

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know you sound sound good what no I'm on

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it too but there's there's issues with

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that show too and maybe I tried to have

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to talk carefully about it since I am on

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it but right I don't mind talking about

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it and relating to this news thing so

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the whole Roswell slide so rather things

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first to never refer to those as the

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Roswell slides I've always said the

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so-called Roswell slides and and the

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thing is as I've said a hundred times

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I'll say again I went down I was

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requested to go down I was never asked

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to endorse two slides one way or the

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other and that's the fact

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I was never brought down so that I would

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say oh yes these are certainly depiction

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of an alien body so it was just there to

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bear witness basically I was I'm a moose

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on literally asked me to talk about the

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implications of for disclosure if if

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these were legitimate that was exactly

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what he asked me to do and I said I can

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I can get behind that probably you know

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we have to get behind this break and

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then we'll continue with the topic that

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shall not be named for not very long

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fair cast and it's as good as it gets

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[Music]

634
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:18,720
with gene and Chris we have Richard

635
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Dolan who is going to briefly address

636
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before we go on the topic that shall not

637
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be named and he's kind of named it

638
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:28,410
already explained in our previous

639
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:30,750
segment you know why he was invited down

640
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and he wasn't given any marching orders

641
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about what to stay no no absolutely I

642
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was not and I was actually interested to

643
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go down I and I said this at the time

644
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and I'll say it now so I was never asked

645
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to give a a positive conclusion about

646
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:49,470
the slides and in fact I I just feel

647
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like I should mention when I was

648
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speaking in Mexico City about these

649
00:27:59,900 --> 00:27:56,730
slides I did the farthest I said because

650
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I would say that for the days that I was

651
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down there I was impressed by the

652
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analysis that was given by the various

653
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physiological experts that Jaime musong

654
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had brought in and I met a couple of

655
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them the Mexican gentleman and they were

656
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very nice they're very intelligent they

657
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spoke at length about in their opinion

658
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why this was not a human body and I

659
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thought well that's interesting I didn't

660
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feel qualified to comment on the

661
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physiology of the body I said if these

662
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slides are going to be debunked then

663
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someone who knows about physiology is

664
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going to need to address what these

665
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gentlemen have said which I still felt

666
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was not an illogical thing to say you

667
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:39,330
know that was my position so I went so

668
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far as to say while these slides cannot

669
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be considered proof of anything

670
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:46,020
extraterrestrial and I said this they're

671
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just slides after all they're not the

672
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actual body I didn't think it would not

673
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be easily debunked and I said that they

674
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:52,950
obviously were easily debunked within a

675
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few days you know and one thing that

676
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should be pointed out here again an

677
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underlined is that you never saw the

678
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slides are going down they're totally

679
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blind there's a question or two on here

680
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:07,650
that's wondering about that yes that's

681
00:29:14,060 --> 00:29:10,250
exactly right and now I did see them

682
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:14,070
when I arrived and on the one hand they

683
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think you'll see them projected or did

684
00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:19,710
you just see the slides physical object

685
00:29:25,139 --> 00:29:22,950
oh no only a jpeg of it so the physical

686
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:25,149
slides I've not so I've seen them on

687
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:26,409
I saw them on it do you know if Harry

688
00:29:32,459 --> 00:29:30,129
and Incheon Schmidt actually have seen

689
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the physical slides because there's some

690
00:29:35,969 --> 00:29:34,629
question here our hand rights are you

691
00:29:37,619 --> 00:29:35,979
aware there's been alleged that the

692
00:29:39,959 --> 00:29:37,629
slide shown to the researchers and

693
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experts were different from the ones

694
00:29:43,739 --> 00:29:41,830
released at the witnessed event I don't

695
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know so there because there are two

696
00:29:49,979 --> 00:29:48,070
slides and I don't think that they're

697
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:49,989
different I don't think that's the case

698
00:29:54,239 --> 00:29:52,690
Tom Kerry and on Schmidt they were

699
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actually the first people to see

700
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physically they were the first

701
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researchers and she said wait to see

702
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them possession of the slides those

703
00:30:05,789 --> 00:30:03,159
slides are now I haven't spoken with any

704
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:05,799
of these individuals about this other

705
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:07,450
than I did speak with Dawn about it

706
00:30:13,649 --> 00:30:10,960
in the aftermath but Adam do he's the

707
00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:13,659
one interesting guy I know that Don

708
00:30:17,249 --> 00:30:15,070
Schmidt is honest about this I know that

709
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:17,259
Tom Kerry absolutely Tom Kerry's honest

710
00:30:20,459 --> 00:30:18,580
about this I think they're just both

711
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:20,469
very they got very enthusiastic they got

712
00:30:24,269 --> 00:30:21,190
very mistaken

713
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:24,279
Adam do I don't know that they got

714
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,849
sloppy

715
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:27,279
I mean they they were lied on it and I

716
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:32,710
did I got sloppy here's why I went in I

717
00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:36,609
had two very long conversations with Don

718
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,070
Schmidt and with Tony Berg alia and I

719
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:41,440
respect them both I mean Tony I've loved

720
00:30:45,690 --> 00:30:43,450
a lot of Tony's writing over the years

721
00:30:48,899 --> 00:30:45,700
have followed him and he got very

722
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:48,909
involved in this work and he was gung-ho

723
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,849
about it same with Don Schmidt and Don

724
00:30:56,339 --> 00:30:54,399
I've known for many years and I did I

725
00:30:58,169 --> 00:30:56,349
trusted Don's judgment and I'm not

726
00:31:00,779 --> 00:30:58,179
trying to lay blame on Don this is on me

727
00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:00,789
I made the decision to trust him but we

728
00:31:06,089 --> 00:31:02,830
had long conversation he said this is

729
00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:06,099
serious stuff we've got some very

730
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excellent analysts who are explaining

731
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why this is not a mummy why this is not

732
00:31:15,539 --> 00:31:13,419
you know human being and so forth and I

733
00:31:17,789 --> 00:31:15,549
will just say I was impressed by that

734
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:17,799
and that was actually the thing how much

735
00:31:21,719 --> 00:31:19,450
money well and who put up the money to

736
00:31:23,999 --> 00:31:21,729
get this expert testimony because

737
00:31:25,889 --> 00:31:24,009
generally that cost I don't know how

738
00:31:28,229 --> 00:31:25,899
much money he spent on on all that stuff

739
00:31:29,579 --> 00:31:28,239
I had no idea yeah because if we

740
00:31:31,979 --> 00:31:29,589
interesting to know how much money was

741
00:31:33,419 --> 00:31:31,989
actually span up front versus the

742
00:31:35,879 --> 00:31:33,429
purported amounts of money that were

743
00:31:38,409 --> 00:31:35,889
generated by what some people are pretty

744
00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:38,419
upset that they think that it

745
00:31:44,109 --> 00:31:40,820
very best Schmidt and Kerry were

746
00:31:48,239 --> 00:31:44,119
extremely sloppy and myopic and as you

747
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:48,249
put it uh enthusiastic I think and Dawn

748
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:50,600
to is credit I haven't talked with Tom

749
00:31:55,479 --> 00:31:52,580
but oh I have to tell you I like Tom

750
00:31:57,009 --> 00:31:55,489
Kerry so very much but Don's been very I

751
00:31:58,810 --> 00:31:57,019
think he's been pretty upfront about it

752
00:32:01,629 --> 00:31:58,820
and I think he'd be the first to admit

753
00:32:03,639 --> 00:32:01,639
he got he got really clouded I will say

754
00:32:04,899 --> 00:32:03,649
this I was never comfortable the whole

755
00:32:07,419 --> 00:32:04,909
time with the fact that they were

756
00:32:08,889 --> 00:32:07,429
connecting this to Roswell and they will

757
00:32:10,269 --> 00:32:08,899
they will say well we weren't trying to

758
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,279
connect it to Roswell but I don't really

759
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:11,919
think that's true because at the

760
00:32:17,409 --> 00:32:15,710
presentation those two Tom and Don spent

761
00:32:19,629 --> 00:32:17,419
quite a lot of their time the stage

762
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,639
talking about Roswell written Susan I

763
00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:22,399
mean I think they very explicitly we're

764
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:24,950
connecting this slide this body to the

765
00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:30,559
rock I just felt that that was a real

766
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:33,309
leap but anyway so I think they did get

767
00:32:37,779 --> 00:32:36,049
very very myopic I think it's probably a

768
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:37,789
good way to look at it very enthusiastic

769
00:32:42,369 --> 00:32:40,369
but certainly when people call this a

770
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:42,379
hoax I just can't I can't sign on to

771
00:32:48,419 --> 00:32:45,289
that I can't really agree with that at

772
00:32:51,249 --> 00:32:48,429
least when I think about Don and Tom and

773
00:32:53,019 --> 00:32:51,259
even Jaime I have to say a lot of people

774
00:32:57,159 --> 00:32:53,029
have been very critical of Jaime mousse

775
00:32:58,899 --> 00:32:57,169
on on a personal level I cannot help but

776
00:33:00,729 --> 00:32:58,909
like this man I'm very sorry if someone

777
00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:00,739
isn't like me as a result of it's too

778
00:33:05,019 --> 00:33:03,230
bad I don't think Jaime was trying to be

779
00:33:07,989 --> 00:33:05,029
deceptive about this at all I think he

780
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:07,999
genuinely believed I think he was this

781
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:10,850
mistaken as Tom and Don about it I think

782
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:14,960
he got very high me does not have a very

783
00:33:19,869 --> 00:33:17,570
very good machine in his brain that

784
00:33:22,539 --> 00:33:19,879
helps him discern between you know

785
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:22,549
between what could be something you know

786
00:33:26,019 --> 00:33:24,049
extraordinary in high strange and

787
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:26,029
something that's mundane i sat through a

788
00:33:30,369 --> 00:33:28,190
talk of his in November and I'd say

789
00:33:32,859 --> 00:33:30,379
maybe 20% of what he showed and he

790
00:33:34,659 --> 00:33:32,869
showed a lot was it was like whoa made

791
00:33:36,009 --> 00:33:34,669
me sit up and say hey that that that

792
00:33:38,019 --> 00:33:36,019
definitely has the air marks of being

793
00:33:39,639 --> 00:33:38,029
real the rest of it was just laughable

794
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:39,649
and so you know we're dealing with

795
00:33:44,999 --> 00:33:42,769
somebody who's who's made a name and a

796
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:45,009
you know quite a bit of money promoting

797
00:33:50,049 --> 00:33:48,129
sensational things that appeared to be

798
00:33:51,849 --> 00:33:50,059
extraterrestrial I mean let's get real

799
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:51,859
he's been he's been one of the main

800
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:52,310
engine

801
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,920
driving this thing I think in the

802
00:33:59,860 --> 00:33:56,240
culture and then of course down in

803
00:34:01,480 --> 00:33:59,870
Mexico you know I mean he's he's kind of

804
00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:01,490
above and beyond the the crowd down

805
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:04,160
there I mean he's mr. UFO down they love

806
00:34:10,630 --> 00:34:07,130
he's very popular yeah so you know he

807
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has TS dolls come up with new stuff very

808
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:14,240
good friends my white actually I don't

809
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:16,040
know what what their exact relationship

810
00:34:20,410 --> 00:34:18,230
is to be honest with him yeah my my

811
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:20,420
reason if we're going down there was not

812
00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:22,130
because Jaime Masson was doing it my

813
00:34:27,070 --> 00:34:23,390
reason for going down there was because

814
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:27,080
Don Schmidt and Tom Carrie and Tony alia

815
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:29,390
were behind us and the fact that Jaime

816
00:34:32,890 --> 00:34:30,890
was organizing it really was irrelevant

817
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:32,900
to me yeah let me kind of cut to the

818
00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:34,040
chase here because I don't want to spend

819
00:34:36,820 --> 00:34:35,240
the whole show on this and I think Chris

820
00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:36,830
doesn't either no and you're probably

821
00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:38,750
getting bored about it we have about a

822
00:34:41,890 --> 00:34:40,400
minute and a half for this segment we'll

823
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,900
mention a little bit of it in our next

824
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:43,760
segment and then move on what do you

825
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:46,280
think we've learned from this to avoid

826
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:48,050
this kind of thing from happening again

827
00:34:53,110 --> 00:34:50,870
well actually I think I look back in

828
00:34:55,690 --> 00:34:53,120
many ways is a very positive development

829
00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:55,700
for a UFO research I I think the people

830
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:57,590
who's saying this is a disaster are

831
00:35:02,110 --> 00:34:59,450
absolutely wrong and think it's exactly

832
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:02,120
the opposite of a disaster I think when

833
00:35:07,390 --> 00:35:04,280
you look at how the whole Roswell slides

834
00:35:10,330 --> 00:35:07,400
thing played out as soon as those slides

835
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:10,340
were released you had a substantial

836
00:35:16,510 --> 00:35:12,620
community of analyst looking into it and

837
00:35:19,150 --> 00:35:16,520
guess what they they made a breakthrough

838
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:19,160
that analysts on their own were not able

839
00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:21,590
to do which was to decipher the the

840
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:23,600
plaque art yeah that's that we could do

841
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:25,910
half half a show just like I mean that's

842
00:35:30,220 --> 00:35:28,190
it's in but no you you have a point

843
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:30,230
there and did you know the way the

844
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:31,550
synchronicity in the world works

845
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:33,890
sometimes is very surprising the

846
00:35:38,650 --> 00:35:35,950
evidence to the best of my knowledge

847
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:38,660
about where that actual body is it's not

848
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:40,040
buried you know where it is it's like

849
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:44,090
just over a mile from my house yeah

850
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:47,590
that's fascinating sort of God find it

851
00:35:54,010 --> 00:35:51,320
I'm working on it yeah the other thing

852
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:54,020
that I would I would say is I know

853
00:35:59,500 --> 00:35:55,760
there's been a lot of criticism of of

854
00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:59,510
Tom and John primarily for withholding

855
00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:02,060
and Adam do for with holiness

856
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:03,980
the only thing that I would say on their

857
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:07,190
defense is this if you've got what you

858
00:36:14,890 --> 00:36:12,010
think is like the in a holy grail of

859
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:14,900
Roswell evidence which I think they

860
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:18,410
believed they had are you really just

861
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:20,270
gonna like toss it out there without

862
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:25,010
having analysts that you verify it to do

863
00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:26,510
this before you release it which is

864
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:28,760
exactly what they did let me break it

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00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:30,560
guys and then we'll have your question

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Chris we've got a little bit more on

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this is 37 the author of us on the

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street and you're listening to the para

985
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Cass let's just about wrap up the

986
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:18,210
subject that should not be named the one

987
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,520
thing I mean anybody looking at that

988
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:23,520
that has been you know made aware of the

989
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:25,710
date of the supposed photograph being

990
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taken 1947 when you take one look at

991
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:32,310
that image it is obviously an extremely

992
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old desiccated body okay it was not

993
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:39,810
killed in a crash in the New Mexico

994
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,820
desert within months it's impossible I

995
00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:47,520
mean it is so obvious that that it was

996
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:49,460
obvious to you it wasn't to those

997
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:51,630
physiologists who looked at it I mean

998
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:53,250
that's just the fact they didn't agree

999
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,720
with that close on it the skull look to

1000
00:42:02,000 --> 00:41:59,760
me this is not my expertise but I've

1001
00:42:03,740 --> 00:42:02,010
looked at other images of two year old

1002
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,750
mummies and this this is a bizarre I

1003
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:05,880
mean it has a kind of elongated head in

1004
00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:08,670
my view but there are a lot of

1005
00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:10,230
explanations for that could even be a

1006
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:12,120
composite mummy for all I know I have no

1007
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:13,350
idea what this thing is because it's

1008
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:17,040
just an image it's not a body yet the

1009
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,540
most unusual thing about it is the body

1010
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,640
evidently was found not curled up in the

1011
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,920
fetal position which is which is highly

1012
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:25,760
unusual in burials couple of Indians

1013
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,650
mm-hm yeah that's another thing that

1014
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:30,780
doesn't come out very often let's move

1015
00:42:33,470 --> 00:42:32,190
from this and let me just guess a

1016
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:33,480
serious question about the whole

1017
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:37,170
research have we reached the end in

1018
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:40,320
terms of getting anything about Roswell

1019
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:42,060
that's significant Oh

1020
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:43,290
Roswell I think you're gonna ask about

1021
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:46,920
UFOs well the witnesses are all kind of

1022
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:48,810
going away they're all pretty much gone

1023
00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:50,190
I don't see how are you gonna get new

1024
00:42:56,060 --> 00:42:54,270
data out of witnesses to Roswell in fact

1025
00:42:59,810 --> 00:42:56,070
I think Don Schmitt and Tom Kerry did

1026
00:43:02,710 --> 00:42:59,820
really the finest job on that aspect of

1027
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,270
short of a WikiLeaks type of event or

1028
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,720
someone's stealing information out of

1029
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,880
the classified vault in in some deep

1030
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:10,380
bowels of the Pentagon I don't really

1031
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:12,300
think there's gonna be being we know

1032
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:13,290
those files are gone

1033
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:14,880
how about Ron Riegert book coming out

1034
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:16,700
with your publishing company that

1035
00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:20,310
purports to show yes the the the Batman

1036
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,350
archive photograph that very few people

1037
00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:24,420
know about that appears to show the

1038
00:43:28,610 --> 00:43:26,340
wreckage strewn about on the floor at

1039
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:28,620
Raimi's press conference is a quarter of

1040
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:31,530
an inch thick yeah this is really an

1041
00:43:34,610 --> 00:43:33,300
exciting thanks for reminding me that

1042
00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:34,620
I'm publishing that book I haven't heard

1043
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:36,360
from within a few months I love Ron

1044
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Berger he is doing well what what he's

1045
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:42,690
really doing I think is the first-ever

1046
00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:46,830
detailed analysis of the of the whole

1047
00:43:53,570 --> 00:43:50,820
like outing of one of the whole and the

1048
00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:53,580
analysis of the array me the memo and

1049
00:43:58,220 --> 00:43:56,520
the photographs associated with it what

1050
00:44:00,800 --> 00:43:58,230
was the response the initial three or

1051
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:00,810
four day response to the initial yeah

1052
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:05,100
the initial of faux pas if you will

1053
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:07,020
right so I don't I don't know i mean

1054
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:08,280
it's hard for me to talk about it yet I

1055
00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:10,110
have an early version of the manuscript

1056
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:11,820
and I haven't even looked at it in a few

1057
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:13,590
months to be honest I'm working I can

1058
00:44:17,810 --> 00:44:15,810
I've got a new book I'm writing which is

1059
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:17,820
not a UFO book by the way and I'm

1060
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:19,400
publishing four of the books

1061
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:21,330
simultaneously so my head's kind of like

1062
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:23,580
enough even the terms of the so-called

1063
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:25,260
Roswell slides I've been hanging out

1064
00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:29,370
with Redfern know I probably guess four

1065
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,830
books coming out in six months i I've

1066
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:33,900
used Nick a couple of times as an editor

1067
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:34,890
for some of the books that I've

1068
00:44:39,260 --> 00:44:36,810
published by other authors he's actually

1069
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:39,270
really good does he ever sleep I think

1070
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:41,970
so he's he's he's busier than I think

1071
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:44,220
I'm as busy as the person as I know but

1072
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:46,710
I think Nick might have me beat he's

1073
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:49,410
constantly working that guy

1074
00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:51,990
what he needs is one best-selling book

1075
00:44:58,540 --> 00:44:54,360
it sounds like a million copies and he

1076
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,550
can rest for a while no don't we all

1077
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:01,020
have some really good questions here and

1078
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:03,630
I want to jump into them should they

1079
00:45:08,330 --> 00:45:06,150
throw a couple actually before we before

1080
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:08,340
we continue on with other topics but

1081
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:11,220
techno mage is one of our you know real

1082
00:45:13,570 --> 00:45:13,050
faithful posters that form dr parra cast

1083
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:13,580
calm

1084
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:15,430
he's posting a question for Richard

1085
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:18,980
right now what do you think and for the

1086
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,030
past five years what are the most

1087
00:45:23,710 --> 00:45:21,680
exciting developments that you feel are

1088
00:45:29,590 --> 00:45:23,720
going on in UFO studies here and these

1089
00:45:31,060 --> 00:45:29,600
past five years hmm hmm that's five 10

1090
00:45:33,610 --> 00:45:31,070
years I could come up with some but five

1091
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:33,620
years that's the last yeah the last few

1092
00:45:44,410 --> 00:45:35,630
years I'm know there really hasn't been

1093
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:44,420
a stand-up no I feel what is well I'm

1094
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:46,040
not gonna answer that question right now

1095
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:47,090
because I'm gonna tell you what I think

1096
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:50,150
is needed in in UFO research and I would

1097
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:51,800
really love to see this which is really

1098
00:45:57,310 --> 00:45:53,930
true international data collection and

1099
00:45:59,950 --> 00:45:57,320
collaboration there's nothing there's

1100
00:46:01,210 --> 00:45:59,960
just nothing and the farther we go it

1101
00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:01,220
there's just no excuse for it anymore

1102
00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:02,990
we're in the 21st century we've got the

1103
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:04,460
we've got Google Translate we should

1104
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,650
have the ability for nations around the

1105
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:08,960
world for people in in languages and

1106
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:11,810
cultures to be able to collaborate well

1107
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:13,550
the largest group in the world is in

1108
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:16,100
China with over a million members yeah I

1109
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:17,330
keep hearing that but I don't know the

1110
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,410
first thing about these people

1111
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:21,680
does anyone yeah do you know do you know

1112
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:23,480
the group do you know these people well

1113
00:46:30,730 --> 00:46:27,230
one of the scientists that he came over

1114
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:30,740
to the Congress a couple three years ago

1115
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:34,100
he was very very interesting uh you know

1116
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:36,380
again but I totally agree I think it's

1117
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,780
everything a stovepipe with some

1118
00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:40,640
crossover between here in Europe and

1119
00:46:44,770 --> 00:46:43,100
here in Australia very little actually

1120
00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:44,780
between here in Australia but some and

1121
00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:47,300
then you know if we didn't have Scot

1122
00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:48,680
Corrales I wouldn't know anything about

1123
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:52,100
what's going on in South America I will

1124
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:53,690
say I like should try to answer this

1125
00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:55,970
question I think some of the very

1126
00:47:01,620 --> 00:46:58,250
interesting developments intellectually

1127
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,630
that I've noticed have to do with

1128
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:04,400
alleged encounters that people are

1129
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:06,170
having with very very strange things and

1130
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:08,470
I mean I'm including military abductions

1131
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:11,330
I've spoken to a number of researchers

1132
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:13,190
who are doing some currently some

1133
00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:16,730
detailed analysis and I think one of

1134
00:47:20,290 --> 00:47:18,680
them is probably writing what I hope

1135
00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:20,300
will be the definitive book on military

1136
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:21,940
abductions up till

1137
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:24,250
now I think it's a fascinating subject

1138
00:47:28,890 --> 00:47:27,730
and the other the other thing also has

1139
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,900
to do with encounters this is a book

1140
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:30,640
that I am publishing and this is not

1141
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:32,560
shameless self-promotion I'm talking

1142
00:47:35,970 --> 00:47:33,550
about it because I really think this is

1143
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:35,980
important research by a fellow named

1144
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:40,660
Mike Cleland you guys have had Mike Mike

1145
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:42,490
has sent me some facebook messages

1146
00:47:47,370 --> 00:47:45,250
asking me some questions I like Mike I

1147
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:47,380
think he's a great guy I know as soon as

1148
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,089
this book is published we're gonna have

1149
00:47:53,099 --> 00:47:51,040
him on the show his research is

1150
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:53,109
absolutely fascinating and and the

1151
00:47:58,770 --> 00:47:55,030
reason I mentioning him here is I I

1152
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,780
believe honestly that his work is some

1153
00:48:03,870 --> 00:48:01,839
of the most groundbreaking work in the

1154
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:03,880
last 20 years in this field because what

1155
00:48:10,859 --> 00:48:06,460
he's doing is he's talking about very

1156
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:10,869
bizarre synchronicities that are

1157
00:48:14,339 --> 00:48:12,040
happening to people have had these

1158
00:48:17,490 --> 00:48:14,349
bizarre experiences and and it's almost

1159
00:48:19,530 --> 00:48:17,500
as if people are having certain

1160
00:48:24,450 --> 00:48:19,540
experiences are getting what you have to

1161
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:24,460
consider almost clues from this map that

1162
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:26,890
only they can understand and he's done

1163
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,089
it he's done this research very

1164
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,400
meticulously in such a way that I think

1165
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,040
it's it's very very interesting well he

1166
00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:34,960
writes everything down the one that that

1167
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:36,940
kind of made me scratch my head a little

1168
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:40,000
bit as he took the the that calmed that

1169
00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:44,710
what's it called a group of owls what's

1170
00:48:48,839 --> 00:48:46,780
it called a wisdom of owls I think

1171
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:48,849
remember all the owls in Missouri there

1172
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:50,890
was hundreds of them that uh that ended

1173
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:54,280
up on this one farmers fence post he

1174
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:57,250
drew a line between that yes Mac tone

1175
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:01,180
aces apartment in his house and they

1176
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:03,369
fell in a perfect line plus other events

1177
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:06,310
that had taken place were along those

1178
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:06,900
lines

1179
00:49:12,510 --> 00:49:09,849
exactly and in Mike's case he said he's

1180
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:12,520
a map whiz it's like his thing his be

1181
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:15,609
ups so he's able to find glue syrups but

1182
00:49:20,010 --> 00:49:17,460
in fact there are other people who were

1183
00:49:22,260 --> 00:49:20,020
skills in other areas and they get clues

1184
00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:22,270
that only they can understand his

1185
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:24,339
outwork is interesting it's so

1186
00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:25,930
fascinating he's now known as the owl

1187
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:27,940
guy but it's actually absolutely

1188
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:30,130
fascinating so I think some of the

1189
00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:33,910
interesting developments are are in some

1190
00:49:38,190 --> 00:49:35,560
of these bizarre

1191
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:38,200
areas of contact and it's my own opinion

1192
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:39,760
at the moment I might have a different

1193
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:43,030
opinion next techno maze wants to know

1194
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:44,890
what do you think of my SuperDuper

1195
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:51,070
camera project will cause the cameras to

1196
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:52,510
fail just when they're about to capture

1197
00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:54,040
something of value I didn't know that

1198
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:55,780
you had a super-duper camera but I hear

1199
00:49:59,160 --> 00:49:57,250
about camera projects frequently from a

1200
00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:59,170
lot of interesting people well yeah I've

1201
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:00,670
been working on this for 20 years

1202
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:03,430
finally we got the level of technology

1203
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:05,410
and some funding and yeah I'm doing a

1204
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:07,450
surveillance totally integrated

1205
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:09,210
surveillance triangulated

1206
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:12,420
camera really I find that fascinating

1207
00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:17,620
sighted are you doing it I think is our

1208
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:19,900
best chance of gaining some truly

1209
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:20,860
scientific data

1210
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:23,710
I agree the equipment that you can get

1211
00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:25,630
for like five thousand to six seven

1212
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:27,820
thousand dollars I mean it's you can

1213
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:30,490
really get a lot and you can do a lot of

1214
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:32,350
night vision the problem that I think we

1215
00:50:37,110 --> 00:50:34,060
have to be careful of is is capturing

1216
00:50:41,070 --> 00:50:37,120
things that are actually classified very

1217
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:41,080
advanced drones that are mistaken is et

1218
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:42,910
crap but that's of secondary importance

1219
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:44,920
because I believe that there are some

1220
00:50:49,530 --> 00:50:46,930
highly highly advanced military drones

1221
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:49,540
that are not going and if you're

1222
00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:51,310
capturing that then that's nearly as

1223
00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:53,560
good as capturing well that's one of the

1224
00:50:59,130 --> 00:50:55,600
reasons because you know we have the the

1225
00:51:00,750 --> 00:50:59,140
La Veta MOA and the the main MT are in

1226
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:00,760
the West goes right down the front of

1227
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:02,890
the song race right over this you know

1228
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:04,810
standings and you know the foothills

1229
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,970
there and it would have a perfect view

1230
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:09,520
of that with 36 times you know optical

1231
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:12,970
zoom with record on motion from a nice

1232
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:15,850
all sky cam which is 180 degrees the

1233
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:18,700
horizon the horizon can just feel great

1234
00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:20,050
yeah that's actually will trigger

1235
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:21,580
trigger the coordinates and then that

1236
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:22,930
that shoots them over the Internet to

1237
00:51:26,370 --> 00:51:24,490
the other cameras and they they all

1238
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:26,380
triangulate on it so how are you putting

1239
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:27,910
your data out YouTube or are you doing

1240
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:29,290
some we're gonna have a live streaming

1241
00:51:39,650 --> 00:51:31,990
yes sir Richard Dolan with gene and

1242
00:51:55,890 --> 00:51:42,800
America's largest independently owned

1243
00:51:57,930 --> 00:51:55,900
communications network see it's very

1244
00:51:59,880 --> 00:51:57,940
easy to be a criminal all you need to

1245
00:52:02,280 --> 00:51:59,890
burglarize a home is one simple

1246
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:02,290
household tool a pair of scissors if

1247
00:52:05,580 --> 00:52:03,850
your home security system can be

1248
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:05,590
compromised by a criminal using scissors

1249
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:07,720
then you are making it easy for them

1250
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,330
almost every home security system even

1251
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:12,160
those sold by big-name companies has a

1252
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:14,470
weakness the phone line you shell out

1253
00:52:19,650 --> 00:52:17,050
1500 bucks get locked into a long-term

1254
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:19,660
contract and think you're safe but a

1255
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:21,550
burglar can destroy your alarm in

1256
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:23,710
seconds with one snip and when a burglar

1257
00:52:28,350 --> 00:52:25,870
cuts your phone line you're defenseless

1258
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:28,360
simply save home security is the smarter

1259
00:52:32,730 --> 00:52:30,730
choice built by Harvard engineers simply

1260
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:32,740
safe uses a wireless connection to call

1261
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,220
the cops

1262
00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:34,960
scissors can't cut it and that means

1263
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:36,340
your home stays safe

1264
00:52:41,220 --> 00:52:38,530
24/7 professional monitoring is under

1265
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:41,230
$15 a month with no contract simply safe

1266
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:43,300
home security keeps you safer than the

1267
00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:45,070
other guys for half the cost

1268
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:46,870
protect your home of the alarm you can

1269
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:49,090
trust simply safe go to simply safe

1270
00:53:12,490 --> 00:52:51,730
defense calm now for an exclusive 10%

1271
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:14,920
this is the genisis communications

1272
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:22,400
network G C n it's very easy to be a

1273
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:24,110
criminal all you need to burglarize a

1274
00:53:28,990 --> 00:53:27,020
home is one simple household tool a pair

1275
00:53:31,090 --> 00:53:29,000
of scissors if your home security system

1276
00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:31,100
can be compromised by a criminal using

1277
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:33,260
scissors then you are making it easy for

1278
00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:35,570
them almost every home security system

1279
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,550
even those sold by big name companies

1280
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:40,160
has a weakness the phone line you shell

1281
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:42,320
out 1500 bucks yet locked into a

1282
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:44,570
long-term contract and think you're safe

1283
00:53:52,770 --> 00:53:47,270
but a burglar can destroy your alarm in

1284
00:53:52,780 --> 00:53:57,000
[Applause]

1285
00:54:04,180 --> 00:54:00,430
welcome back to to the para cast the

1286
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:04,190
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1287
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,529
now here's Jane Steinberg briefly

1288
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:14,960
talking about Chris O'Brien's San Luis

1289
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:17,630
Valley camera project so right now the

1290
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:20,329
intention is to stream the video but do

1291
00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:22,730
you expect some but you want to you want

1292
00:54:26,620 --> 00:54:24,380
to record an apathetic well obviously we

1293
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:26,630
it's the software's record on motion

1294
00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:28,849
detect on motion then record on motion

1295
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,440
cool all three cameras are going to

1296
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:33,200
hi-def and and we're gonna have a slaved

1297
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:36,890
unit that's gonna have a you know with a

1298
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:38,900
diffraction grading on it so that we can

1299
00:54:42,849 --> 00:54:40,609
divide the light into spectra if it's at

1300
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:42,859
night and for sixty grand we can put the

1301
00:54:47,170 --> 00:54:45,170
system together for another sixty we can

1302
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:47,180
have a completely FLIR well now that I

1303
00:54:51,549 --> 00:54:48,890
remember when you and I first met Chris

1304
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:51,559
which was back in 2006 for that

1305
00:55:00,430 --> 00:54:57,380
television well I should we shot that at

1306
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:00,440
oh six but we talked about night vision

1307
00:55:04,269 --> 00:55:01,849
I think there was a night vision but not

1308
00:55:07,420 --> 00:55:04,279
get was that you had right you let me

1309
00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:07,430
use mmm-hmm and so yeah you obviously

1310
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:10,220
really into some you know really good

1311
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:12,890
optics and data capture back then as

1312
00:55:17,529 --> 00:55:15,049
well well yeah it's having a good team

1313
00:55:18,819 --> 00:55:17,539
of scientist consultants to you know

1314
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:18,829
we've we've got some some pretty

1315
00:55:23,529 --> 00:55:20,329
high-powered people Ron McGarrett's

1316
00:55:25,059 --> 00:55:23,539
helping out Marsha Adams who did some

1317
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,069
work of Paul Devereaux and also up at

1318
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:28,880
house with Heslin and others too you

1319
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,190
know so we do we know exactly what we

1320
00:55:34,930 --> 00:55:32,720
want to do especially recording graviton

1321
00:55:37,539 --> 00:55:34,940
and recording magnetometer I think

1322
00:55:41,740 --> 00:55:37,549
that's very very important also acoustic

1323
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,750
we wanted to do a you know build a you

1324
00:55:46,450 --> 00:55:43,520
know three foot by three foot

1325
00:55:48,490 --> 00:55:46,460
solid concrete pad and stick some

1326
00:55:51,819 --> 00:55:48,500
sophisticated PCM mics on there to see

1327
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:51,829
if we can solve VLF and you lf3 Pepsi's

1328
00:55:56,049 --> 00:55:53,960
modern version of project magnet you

1329
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:56,059
know is Wilbert smitten yeah there's a

1330
00:55:59,170 --> 00:55:57,020
lot of ultrasound

1331
00:56:00,519 --> 00:55:59,180
you know ultra-low sound frequencies are

1332
00:56:03,069 --> 00:56:00,529
going around I think in a lot of these

1333
00:56:04,750 --> 00:56:03,079
events and and also you know having a

1334
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:04,760
map that has a little blinking light so

1335
00:56:08,650 --> 00:56:07,400
the locals who are tuned in can run out

1336
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,660
with their camcorders and they know

1337
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:09,920
which direction to look

1338
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:13,760
it's awesome I think this project I'm

1339
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:15,140
gonna do a Kickstarter campaign

1340
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:16,609
hopefully you'll help me get the word

1341
00:56:23,049 --> 00:56:19,700
out later on this summer we're about

1342
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:23,059
ready to go the base station is is is

1343
00:56:26,770 --> 00:56:25,609
being installed as we speak into an era

1344
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:26,780
where there's a number of other people

1345
00:56:30,490 --> 00:56:28,609
who are trying to do what you're trying

1346
00:56:34,569 --> 00:56:30,500
to do and maybe different variations on

1347
00:56:36,089 --> 00:56:34,579
aims Marc Dantonio are involved in a

1348
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:36,099
project that's even more sophisticated

1349
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:37,670
yeah okay

1350
00:56:44,589 --> 00:56:41,990
but yes positive development I'm helping

1351
00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:44,599
you answer that question yes I think I

1352
00:56:51,220 --> 00:56:47,900
think absolutely it is okay here's one

1353
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,230
before we get going too far what's solid

1354
00:56:54,579 --> 00:56:53,119
indisputable evidence regarding you a

1355
00:56:57,579 --> 00:56:54,589
piece have been collected over the past

1356
00:56:59,770 --> 00:56:57,589
five years a similar question this one

1357
00:57:00,970 --> 00:56:59,780
comes from Bluto 392 I don't know how

1358
00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:00,980
I'm gonna answer that because honestly

1359
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:05,000
I'm not and until I start to write my

1360
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:07,250
third volume of until I get to that

1361
00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:09,049
point in volume 3 of UFOs a national

1362
00:57:12,609 --> 00:57:11,150
security state I don't really know how

1363
00:57:15,099 --> 00:57:12,619
I'm going to want to answer that like

1364
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:15,109
what what I feel is the best most solid

1365
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,150
evidence in the last five years I'll

1366
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:19,040
probably have a much better at least

1367
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,450
provisional answer for that in another

1368
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:22,160
year or two but I don't want to answer

1369
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,140
that right now you know that also gets

1370
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:26,720
us to volume three of UFOs in national

1371
00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:29,150
security state what time to period does

1372
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,160
that cover 2002 to ten or something in

1373
00:57:39,609 --> 00:57:33,440
her no it'll cover 1992 to the present

1374
00:57:40,809 --> 00:57:39,619
day the present day writing I'm back

1375
00:57:42,339 --> 00:57:40,819
this will be the third book that's

1376
00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:42,349
getting in the way of my third volume of

1377
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,780
history so I don't know if I'm annoying

1378
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:46,640
everyone to no end here you know I was

1379
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:48,140
going to do first I did 80 after

1380
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:50,390
disclosure which some people said oh my

1381
00:57:53,380 --> 00:57:51,770
god why are you doing that book just do

1382
00:57:57,130 --> 00:57:53,390
throat volumes like but I'm glad I did

1383
00:58:00,609 --> 00:57:57,140
ad after disclosure 20% you mind I've

1384
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:00,619
been recommending it I love it it's

1385
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:02,450
really well-written book it's one of my

1386
00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:06,230
favorite reference books right now our

1387
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,880
listeners like I'm blowing smoke up your

1388
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:10,160
up your tailpipe here but I'm serious I

1389
00:58:12,819 --> 00:58:12,020
really thank you so much for sending it

1390
00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:12,829
to me

1391
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:14,750
I still need to get a signed copy from

1392
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:18,440
you gladly I loved writing that book and

1393
00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:22,400
I wanted a single volume that I was

1394
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:23,240
thought of it as

1395
00:58:26,890 --> 00:58:24,920
catered introduction an up-to-date

1396
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:26,900
overview of the field where it was at it

1397
00:58:31,210 --> 00:58:29,090
as as of the writing and I think it was

1398
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:31,220
needed so I'm glad I wrote it the book

1399
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:32,600
that I'm writing right now is not even a

1400
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:35,180
UFO book it's my first fully non UFO

1401
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:37,430
book and it's a history an analytical

1402
00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:42,950
history of false flag operations I'm

1403
00:58:47,350 --> 00:58:45,350
deep into this book now and it's I've

1404
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,360
been working on it quietly since last

1405
00:58:52,540 --> 00:58:49,760
winter as a result of that something I'm

1406
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:52,550
out of the UFO mindset I mean I still

1407
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,490
but I've been really throwing myself

1408
00:59:01,900 --> 00:58:58,480
into I would say that there's a lot of

1409
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:01,910
relevance sir no I think so I think it's

1410
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:03,050
a book that needs to be written there is

1411
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:05,570
no history of false flags and I could

1412
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:07,520
talk to you for hours about this

1413
00:59:11,350 --> 00:59:09,890
actually right now yeah that's what I'm

1414
00:59:13,290 --> 00:59:11,360
actually deep and I've only recently

1415
00:59:16,060 --> 00:59:13,300
been talking about this so for the first

1416
00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:16,070
half of this year I wasn't telling

1417
00:59:20,530 --> 00:59:18,230
anyone that this was my my book except

1418
00:59:21,340 --> 00:59:20,540
that I was working on a book ask you

1419
00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:21,350
quickly here

1420
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:23,500
there are lots of conspiracy theories

1421
00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:27,740
about possible false flag incidents is

1422
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:30,800
there one you could bring to mind that

1423
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:32,690
you've been covering that might have

1424
00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:35,540
some traction some validity yes

1425
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:38,510
absolutely so first of all the problem

1426
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,300
with researching a false flag as opposed

1427
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:44,240
to UFOs that UFOs actually are easier to

1428
00:59:48,010 --> 00:59:46,310
research in my opinion because with the

1429
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:48,020
UFO phenomenon you have one thing that

1430
00:59:52,780 --> 00:59:49,690
you can always fall back on which are

1431
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:52,790
verified reports and indeed declassified

1432
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:56,210
military documents if all else fails I

1433
01:00:01,650 --> 00:59:59,330
can always refer to the fact that there

1434
01:00:04,030 --> 01:00:01,660
are several thousands of pages of

1435
01:00:06,970 --> 01:00:04,040
documents from the FBI and the CIA and

1436
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:06,980
all the military branches many of which

1437
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:08,710
we'll discuss you know encounters at

1438
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:11,270
military personnel event with UFOs and

1439
01:00:15,550 --> 01:00:13,550
clearly you can read from them that they

1440
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:15,560
generated a very serious response in

1441
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:18,200
many cases with a good false flag by its

1442
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:21,410
very nature it's it's a covert op that's

1443
01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:22,730
done by professionals you know what

1444
01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:24,920
they're doing and it is not necessarily

1445
01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:26,060
the case that you're really going to be

1446
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:27,820
able to prove it to your satisfaction

1447
01:00:33,849 --> 01:00:30,410
it's more than 80 years since the

1448
01:00:36,190 --> 01:00:33,859
Reichstag fire occurred in 1933 and the

1449
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:36,200
fact is that among academic historians

1450
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:36,720
to this

1451
01:00:42,170 --> 01:00:39,240
there is dispute over whether or not the

1452
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:42,180
Nazis did it or the you know the Dutch

1453
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,770
communists van der Lubbe dated by

1454
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:45,540
himself as was claimed and that the

1455
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,790
Nazis simply were opportunists as a

1456
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:50,640
result of it now I do believe that the

1457
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:52,710
the Reichstag fire was a false flag and

1458
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:55,380
I think most historians probably agree

1459
01:01:00,559 --> 01:00:58,290
but the fact is that one signal event

1460
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:00,569
which happened a full lifetime ago

1461
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:01,890
there's still not a hundred percent

1462
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,020
certainty and that's what a good false

1463
01:01:08,660 --> 01:01:06,000
flag will do it will leave that seed of

1464
01:01:10,790 --> 01:01:08,670
doubt now there are false flags that are

1465
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:10,800
absolutely confirmed there's no shadow

1466
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:13,050
of a doubt if there were an Olympics of

1467
01:01:17,089 --> 01:01:15,270
false Flags as I've been saying lately I

1468
01:01:19,790 --> 01:01:17,099
would say the United States gets the

1469
01:01:21,380 --> 01:01:19,800
gold and I would say two key US

1470
01:01:22,579 --> 01:01:21,390
strategic allies get the silver and

1471
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:22,589
bronze and that would be Israel and

1472
01:01:27,290 --> 01:01:24,690
Britain as opposed to say the Russians

1473
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:27,300
who have far fewer false flags as a

1474
01:01:31,819 --> 01:01:29,099
matter of fact a confirmed false flag

1475
01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:31,829
that we know is Operation Gladio and

1476
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:33,900
anyone can look this up this is actually

1477
01:01:37,579 --> 01:01:35,430
a fascinating story this took place

1478
01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:37,589
during the Cold War this is done by NATO

1479
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,260
operatives and Gladio initially started

1480
01:01:44,780 --> 01:01:42,660
as basically kind of a leave behind

1481
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:44,790
operation in the event that the Soviets

1482
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:47,369
were to take over Western Europe which

1483
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:50,280
was a fear in the late 1940s and so what

1484
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:52,200
happened particularly in Italy is there

1485
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:53,880
there were teens that would be left

1486
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:55,290
behind that would act as kind of like

1487
01:02:00,140 --> 01:01:57,690
the resistance in the event of a Soviet

1488
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:00,150
takeover well the Soviets never took

1489
01:02:04,010 --> 01:02:02,250
over Italy and so you've got these teams

1490
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:04,020
there and wondering what they would do

1491
01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:05,700
what what they ended up doing and this

1492
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:08,670
is with CIA knowledge according to the

1493
01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:11,700
witnesses involved they started causing

1494
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:14,190
mayhem and blowing up train stations and

1495
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:15,810
killing people you're talking hundreds

1496
01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:17,310
of people getting killed and blaming it

1497
01:02:22,099 --> 01:02:18,630
on the red brigade and blaming it on the

1498
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,109
communists as specifically as a way of

1499
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:23,760
influencing Italian politics and

1500
01:02:28,809 --> 01:02:25,140
bringing people to the right of center

1501
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:28,819
of politics now that's been confirmed

1502
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:32,640
pretty well absolutely and you know the

1503
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:37,589
Gladio operation has has a great deal in

1504
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:39,089
common with a number of operations that

1505
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:40,740
were like for example pretty darn sure

1506
01:02:44,650 --> 01:02:43,380
that Mossad was doing in France and in

1507
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:44,660
Paris during the seventies and eighties

1508
01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:47,520
similar operations they've made movies

1509
01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:50,920
about it yeah and blowing blowing up

1510
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:53,630
locations including delicatessen Jewish

1511
01:03:00,580 --> 01:02:55,610
delicatessens in fact one case in Paris

1512
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:00,590
and 1970s I believe blaming it on theirs

1513
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:03,290
leaked documents like the Northwoods you

1514
01:03:11,860 --> 01:03:08,480
know potential Northwoods is the 1962

1515
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:11,870
and this is from the Joint Chiefs and if

1516
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:13,490
this is a false leg that didn't happen

1517
01:03:17,350 --> 01:03:15,290
but no exactly and it really when you

1518
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:17,360
read the information or Northwoods it

1519
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,510
looks it reads just like a 9/11 is

1520
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:22,400
fundamentally and what the what our

1521
01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:23,990
military intelligence wanted to do is

1522
01:03:27,610 --> 01:03:26,060
take Castro out of Cuba they had a plan

1523
01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:27,620
that landed on Kennedy's desk which was

1524
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:30,830
to fake a Cuban terrorist attack on US

1525
01:03:36,010 --> 01:03:33,110
property we have Richard Dolan

1526
01:03:38,290 --> 01:03:36,020
we're segwaying into false flags and I

1527
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:38,300
have one to ask him about shortly with

1528
01:03:53,789 --> 01:03:49,819
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1529
01:03:56,099 --> 01:03:53,799
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1530
01:03:58,410 --> 01:03:56,109
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1531
01:04:01,220 --> 01:03:58,420
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1532
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1533
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1543
01:04:35,999 --> 01:04:31,059
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1544
01:04:41,819 --> 01:04:36,009
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1545
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:41,829
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1546
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1547
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[Music]

1548
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,630
extension life with Nixon to avoid

1549
01:04:58,690 --> 01:04:56,000
hey neighbor what are you doing digging

1550
01:05:01,360 --> 01:04:58,700
you had a heart attack last year oh I

1551
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,370
know I was told no more hard labor then

1552
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:03,200
why are you digging well I've been

1553
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,210
taking extended light it's been approved

1554
01:05:11,710 --> 01:05:07,760
to help my heart extender bite is that a

1555
01:05:13,450 --> 01:05:11,720
new drug no not a drug it's more like an

1556
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:13,460
herbal combination made from garlic and

1557
01:05:18,070 --> 01:05:16,640
cayenne herbal how can that help well

1558
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:18,080
actually we've taken herbs for thousands

1559
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:20,030
of years an extended white is doing the

1560
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:20,810
job for me

1561
01:05:25,210 --> 01:05:22,970
does your doctor know about extend of

1562
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:25,220
it-- yeah my doctor knows and he said it

1563
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:26,540
seems to be working for you so don't

1564
01:05:29,230 --> 01:05:27,530
stop taking it

1565
01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:29,240
I feel great take an extender bike I

1566
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:31,700
don't want to stop to order call one

1567
01:05:36,460 --> 01:05:34,130
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1568
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:36,470
eight two two that's one eight seven

1569
01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:38,930
seven nine two eight eight eight two two

1570
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:41,790
or visit our website at heart drop calm

1571
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:49,530
[Music]

1572
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:51,730
honey it's time for dinner

1573
01:05:55,290 --> 01:05:53,110
what are you doing over there on your

1574
01:05:58,020 --> 01:05:55,300
computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

1575
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,030
mine is falling apart hey did you know

1576
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:00,160
there's a company called ID stronghold

1577
01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:01,810
that makes shielded wallets to prevent

1578
01:06:04,770 --> 01:06:03,580
electronic pickpocketing well I didn't

1579
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:04,780
realize there was such a thing as

1580
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:07,180
electronic pickpocketing what is that

1581
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,980
well apparently many of the new credit

1582
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:10,960
and debit cards being issued have radio

1583
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:13,570
chips inside them called RFID the

1584
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,490
transmitter banking information to card

1585
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:17,920
readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

1586
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:19,510
guy can also get one of these readers

1587
01:06:23,070 --> 01:06:21,460
and go around the city scanning people

1588
01:06:24,990 --> 01:06:23,080
collecting their credit card numbers and

1589
01:06:27,870 --> 01:06:25,000
personal information without us knowing

1590
01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:27,880
it wow that sounds scary since you're

1591
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:29,500
getting a new wallet anyway you should

1592
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:31,510
definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

1593
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:33,700
wallet are they more expensive no in

1594
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:35,710
fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

1595
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,810
from ID stronghold calm for the same

1596
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,760
price or less than regular unshielded

1597
01:06:44,490 --> 01:06:42,160
wallets from other stores sounds great

1598
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:44,500
my wallet isn't falling apart yet let me

1599
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:46,210
pick one out to I want to be protected

1600
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:48,130
and these wallets at ID stronghold calm

1601
01:06:51,870 --> 01:06:49,510
look fantastic

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01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:51,880
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para cast calm so back in the days of

1635
01:08:16,649 --> 01:08:14,380
the Kennedy administration you were

1636
01:08:20,010 --> 01:08:16,659
telling us about a false flag operation

1637
01:08:22,499 --> 01:08:20,020
to get rid of Castro and Cuba right well

1638
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:22,509
yeah this Northwoods which didn't happen

1639
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,940
but actually what to blame Castro and

1640
01:08:28,559 --> 01:08:26,560
Kennedy essentially said no this is not

1641
01:08:31,860 --> 01:08:28,569
going to happen and it didn't on the

1642
01:08:33,329 --> 01:08:31,870
other hand this was right in line with

1643
01:08:35,419 --> 01:08:33,339
what was then known as Operation

1644
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:35,429
Mongoose which was in fact a series of

1645
01:08:39,689 --> 01:08:37,810
dirty tricks I guess you could say that

1646
01:08:42,110 --> 01:08:39,699
the US Intel community was doing against

1647
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:42,120
Cuba at that very time favorite very

1648
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:44,980
exactly I mean this is all all tied and

1649
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:46,810
together so it's a fascinating history

1650
01:08:51,209 --> 01:08:49,259
and in fact there was a claimed

1651
01:08:53,490 --> 01:08:51,219
conversation that a gentleman had with

1652
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,500
Kennedy over a discussion of doing false

1653
01:08:59,370 --> 01:08:56,319
flags and Dominican Republic around the

1654
01:09:01,229 --> 01:08:59,380
same time faked bombings or real

1655
01:09:03,149 --> 01:09:01,239
bombings but blamed on you know their

1656
01:09:05,519 --> 01:09:03,159
operatives to justify us invasions and

1657
01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:05,529
so on so this kind of thing I think was

1658
01:09:09,539 --> 01:09:06,909
going on a lot at the level of

1659
01:09:12,599 --> 01:09:09,549
discussion what I think has happened is

1660
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:12,609
that we've really moved into an era of

1661
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:14,409
false Flags I think this is my opinion

1662
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:16,750
at this point I would say 9/11 is

1663
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:19,480
probably the centerpiece of the false

1664
01:09:24,209 --> 01:09:21,730
flag era I think it based on that

1665
01:09:27,629 --> 01:09:24,219
and not not just 9/11 but the anthrax

1666
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:27,639
scare which really we have to tie in

1667
01:09:30,689 --> 01:09:29,049
with 9/11 you can't really talk about

1668
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:30,699
the one without the other and think we

1669
01:09:34,860 --> 01:09:32,650
tend to forget the significance of the

1670
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:34,870
anthrax again there was an out cipro

1671
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:40,020
what a month before 9/11 anthrax is X

1672
01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:42,850
exactly right the key to understand

1673
01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:45,580
about the anthrax scare is that you see

1674
01:09:49,769 --> 01:09:47,830
if 9/11 had happened by itself we would

1675
01:09:51,870 --> 01:09:49,779
have thought oh it's maybe a terrorist

1676
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:51,880
one-off and you know they just did this

1677
01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:54,130
one thing but with anthrax coming

1678
01:09:57,870 --> 01:09:55,960
through the mail and actually killing

1679
01:09:59,760 --> 01:09:57,880
some people right

1680
01:10:04,620 --> 01:09:59,770
you have the public now being whipped up

1681
01:10:07,169 --> 01:10:04,630
by a media frenzy of course thinking oh

1682
01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:07,179
my god now first 911 crashing in

1683
01:10:12,209 --> 01:10:10,120
buildings now this what's next and in

1684
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:12,219
fact the letters that were being sent

1685
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:15,489
with the anthrax the very first one said

1686
01:10:20,729 --> 01:10:18,610
exactly that first 911 now this death to

1687
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:20,739
America death to Israel Allah is great

1688
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:23,110
so it was a note that explicitly tied

1689
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,650
the anthrax to Islamic extremists all

1690
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:29,440
group that month of October the the

1691
01:10:34,530 --> 01:10:31,690
Congress debated the USA PATRIOT Act and

1692
01:10:37,470 --> 01:10:34,540
the anthrax scare was front row center

1693
01:10:38,939 --> 01:10:37,480
of the news where the Bush

1694
01:10:41,970 --> 01:10:38,949
administration was connecting the

1695
01:10:43,860 --> 01:10:41,980
anthrax scare alternately at one point

1696
01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:43,870
to Saddam Hussein at one point to Osama

1697
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:45,880
Bin Ladin and at one point simply too

1698
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:48,130
vague Islamic terrorists but these are

1699
01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:50,080
the people being connected so the USA

1700
01:10:55,020 --> 01:10:52,600
PATRIOT Act passed is October 24th

1701
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:55,030
ending 2000 only Bernie Sanders sign

1702
01:11:00,270 --> 01:10:57,489
didn't sign it yeah and I think Ronald

1703
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:00,280
Paul oh yeah I'm Ron Paul alright but

1704
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:03,130
here's the thing the day after the USA

1705
01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:05,530
PATRIOT Act was passed with the anthrax

1706
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:08,350
scare being a key factor in a passage of

1707
01:11:15,570 --> 01:11:11,110
that act u.s. major news media comes out

1708
01:11:17,570 --> 01:11:15,580
and says oh that anthrax apparently came

1709
01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:17,580
from a u.s. biological weapons

1710
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:21,790
laboratory and that's what happened now

1711
01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:25,449
that being the case that is the

1712
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:28,420
conclusion who wrote the note I'd like

1713
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:31,840
to know I mean and clearly you've got a

1714
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:33,610
situation where this anthrax is being

1715
01:11:38,010 --> 01:11:36,070
connected directly to 9/11 being used to

1716
01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:38,020
pass the USA PATRIOT Act which is the

1717
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:39,880
fundamental revolution in modern

1718
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:41,800
American politics the quintessential

1719
01:11:46,169 --> 01:11:44,290
revolution from above that is destroyed

1720
01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:46,179
the last knife in the back of the Old

1721
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:48,820
Republic let's just say so I think we

1722
01:11:53,459 --> 01:11:51,300
can really absolutely say that this is

1723
01:11:57,419 --> 01:11:53,469
every bit of false flag and it's and

1724
01:12:00,479 --> 01:11:57,429
it's intimately dependent upon 9/11 that

1725
01:12:03,390 --> 01:12:00,489
brings up some disturbing implications

1726
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:03,400
so I would say most definitely and you

1727
01:12:07,290 --> 01:12:05,590
know the whole idea of the origin of the

1728
01:12:09,529 --> 01:12:07,300
San Thrax kind of went to sleep for a

1729
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:09,539
number of years after that and

1730
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:14,010
the FBI tried to pin this anthrax on one

1731
01:12:17,149 --> 01:12:15,960
scientist who was absolutely innocent in

1732
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,159
fact he was so innocent he was able

1733
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:19,260
successfully to sue the FBI for damages

1734
01:12:24,049 --> 01:12:21,960
and one and then they went after another

1735
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:24,059
scientist who in the opinion of the

1736
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:25,679
colleagues was absolutely equally

1737
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:28,050
innocent but the FBI was looking for

1738
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:30,570
someone to pin this on and this is what

1739
01:12:35,419 --> 01:12:32,449
the FBI does they look for scapegoats

1740
01:12:37,580 --> 01:12:35,429
that scientists committed suicide

1741
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:37,590
conveniently before they could go to

1742
01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:39,570
trial you know when you start looking at

1743
01:12:43,879 --> 01:12:42,030
all of the elements of the anthrax scare

1744
01:12:46,069 --> 01:12:43,889
I think that that with 9/11 that's the

1745
01:12:47,089 --> 01:12:46,079
key and the problem one of the things

1746
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:47,099
I'm looking at with this false flag

1747
01:12:50,089 --> 01:12:49,260
phenomenon is simply the psychology that

1748
01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:50,099
goes into it

1749
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:52,260
why false flags are necessary from the

1750
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:53,570
point of view of the American

1751
01:12:58,759 --> 01:12:57,210
geopolitical elite and how they are so

1752
01:13:00,859 --> 01:12:58,769
effective psychologically and what I've

1753
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:00,869
come to understand is when you have

1754
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:02,610
these horrible traumatic events that

1755
01:13:07,459 --> 01:13:05,159
occur in our society whether it's 9/11

1756
01:13:09,290 --> 01:13:07,469
or any of these other shootings or the

1757
01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:09,300
bombings that have occurred and I don't

1758
01:13:12,799 --> 01:13:10,860
know for a fact that all are false flags

1759
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:12,809
but I'm suspicious of most of them but

1760
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:15,150
their traumatic and so what you find out

1761
01:13:19,819 --> 01:13:17,610
is that the media and the power

1762
01:13:21,740 --> 01:13:19,829
structure immediately come in with an

1763
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:21,750
intellectual narrative to tie that

1764
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:24,570
emotion - you've got this deep sense of

1765
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:26,489
trauma and then suddenly here's an

1766
01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:28,440
answer those are the people who did this

1767
01:13:32,419 --> 01:13:30,420
and so I think what happens with us

1768
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:32,429
psychologically is that our emotions and

1769
01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:35,730
our conceptual or intellect kind of

1770
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,369
marry together with this answer and this

1771
01:13:41,839 --> 01:13:40,320
I think is why when you talk to people

1772
01:13:43,299 --> 01:13:41,849
about 9/11 to this day they get very

1773
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,309
emotional because they've been

1774
01:13:49,129 --> 01:13:45,840
emotionally invested in this answer and

1775
01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:49,139
it's now been almost 15 years and to

1776
01:13:52,879 --> 01:13:51,630
revisit this I think the longer we hold

1777
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:52,889
these opinions are harder than they are

1778
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:56,159
to dislodge in terms of false flags gulf

1779
01:14:02,240 --> 01:13:59,360
of tonkin for Vietnam it justified our

1780
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,250
escalation of the Vietnam War what's the

1781
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,400
story about that I consider that

1782
01:14:08,540 --> 01:14:06,780
fundamentally yes a false flag we can

1783
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:08,550
quibble there's there's narrow

1784
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:10,380
definitions of false flags and there's I

1785
01:14:14,089 --> 01:14:12,090
think it slightly broader and maybe more

1786
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:14,099
realistic definition of what a false

1787
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,630
flag is what we know about the Gulf of

1788
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:17,760
Tonkin this this was the fundamental

1789
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:19,260
justification of course for the

1790
01:14:21,630 --> 01:14:21,329
expansion of the war in Vietnam happened

1791
01:14:24,670 --> 01:14:21,640
in all

1792
01:14:28,090 --> 01:14:24,680
1964 the United States the USS Maxwell

1793
01:14:30,190 --> 01:14:28,100
was in North Vietnamese waters at that

1794
01:14:32,710 --> 01:14:30,200
time and that is by itself an act of war

1795
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:32,720
doing electronic espionage on North

1796
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:35,090
Vietnam this is a huge u.s. battleship

1797
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:37,820
okay no one's gonna mug a u.s.

1798
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:40,190
battleship anywhere in the world maybe

1799
01:14:43,390 --> 01:14:41,690
the Russians would challenge but

1800
01:14:46,230 --> 01:14:43,400
certainly not the North Vietnamese so

1801
01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:46,240
their parent Lee was one minor

1802
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:48,350
engagement North Vietnamese had a very

1803
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:50,510
small ship fired the equivalent of a

1804
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:53,570
peashooter at the USS Maxwell no damage

1805
01:14:58,480 --> 01:14:55,370
nothing happened whatsoever that

1806
01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:58,490
encounter was transformed into two

1807
01:15:02,380 --> 01:15:00,140
encounters the second one was entirely

1808
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:02,390
fictitious as far as we could tell - an

1809
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:04,370
engagement and unprovoked engagement on

1810
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:07,190
as LBJ President Johnson said on the

1811
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:08,930
high seas which means international

1812
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:11,890
waters which was not the case so this

1813
01:15:19,390 --> 01:15:16,310
event was was peddled to the American

1814
01:15:21,190 --> 01:15:19,400
public to the world public as unprovoked

1815
01:15:22,990 --> 01:15:21,200
aggression by the North Vietnamese this

1816
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:23,000
is certainly not the case and then was

1817
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:25,910
used passed by Congress almost almost

1818
01:15:30,730 --> 01:15:28,940
with unanimity to giving essentially

1819
01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:30,740
blank check for massive escalation of

1820
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:32,870
the war in Vietnam so yes I call that a

1821
01:15:38,980 --> 01:15:35,570
false flag okay when's this book coming

1822
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:38,990
up I don't know that's done so sometime

1823
01:15:44,340 --> 01:15:42,770
this year I wanted it done by the middle

1824
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:44,350
of the summer that's not going to happen

1825
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:48,230
it will be done what I've discovered is

1826
01:15:53,890 --> 01:15:51,920
that it's you know it's hard because

1827
01:15:55,570 --> 01:15:53,900
going into each one of these cases I

1828
01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:55,580
have to be as meticulous and careful as

1829
01:15:58,720 --> 01:15:57,230
I possibly can be I want to do this

1830
01:16:02,620 --> 01:15:58,730
right

1831
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:02,630
and it's a topic that deserves careful

1832
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:05,750
treatment I want to avoid going off on

1833
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:07,070
the deep end and saying everything's a

1834
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,540
false flag but I also want to be brave

1835
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:10,880
enough to look at these cases on their

1836
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:13,280
own merits and and say you know it's

1837
01:16:18,970 --> 01:16:16,400
like a false flag or not so so that's

1838
01:16:21,970 --> 01:16:18,980
the thing and I think it'll be done by

1839
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:21,980
fall this year we look forward to seeing

1840
01:16:26,980 --> 01:16:24,650
it about false flags Richard Dolan let's

1841
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:26,990
get on with our other subjects on the

1842
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:29,420
table with Gene and Kris you're in the

1843
01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:31,210
period

1844
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:39,320
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Hamner and that was me in 2007 and we

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all know what happened when the subprime

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US banking system was on the verge of

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collapsing like all financial problems

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of the past is history about to repeat

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itself

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call me John Hamner at 1-866-37

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protect yourself will the oncoming

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401 k's with it there is a way to

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protect your hard-earned assets call me

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John human err at 1-866-37 extension one

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to nine hi this is Don Ecker and you are

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tuned into the para cast let me tell you

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what you're gonna hear stuff here that

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you probably won't hear anywhere else

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here that George Noory now as you notice

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in this episode a lot of the questions

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01:21:13,729 --> 01:21:11,010
are coming from you listeners of virtru

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Dolan and we've got one listener as a

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01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:15,000
matter of fact we'll get to some of his

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01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:17,400
questions shortly where I think he asked

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01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:19,230
about 20 questions or something like

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that I guess a whole bunch she could

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01:21:25,490 --> 01:21:22,980
have done a host show come on here ask

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01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:25,500
questions Wow let's answer at least one

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01:21:31,459 --> 01:21:29,280
or whatever yeah there are a number of

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01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:31,469
here let's talk about skeptics you've

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01:21:35,899 --> 01:21:33,780
been kind of taking a few kind of minor

1977
01:21:37,130 --> 01:21:35,909
hits here and there recently and I know

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01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:37,140
what it's like you know being a

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01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,210
publisher and and trying to get the word

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01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,800
out about your stuff you may speak at

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01:21:45,260 --> 01:21:42,480
conferences I remember the one that you

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01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:45,270
and I got lasted into out there that the

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01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:48,330
the first revamped UFO con conference

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01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:50,310
which one do you mean the one with

1985
01:21:55,340 --> 01:21:52,380
Douglas Dietrich and I had to pull you

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:55,350
that was a funny hold you back that you

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01:22:00,729 --> 01:21:57,690
were there you were really getting upset

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01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:00,739
I wasn't half as upset as he was he got

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01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,300
you were getting upset that he was

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01:22:07,340 --> 01:22:05,400
getting so ups so upset and then when he

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he started to justify why he was upset

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01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:10,560
then I mean yeah revisionist historians

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01:22:16,510 --> 01:22:12,420
are a dime a dozen and and his

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01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,520
Dietrich was actually saying that the

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there's not a single not one historian

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01:22:29,149 --> 01:22:26,670
of the Second World War would say

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anything other that's laughable well my

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01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:31,080
point being is is if I had known that

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01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:33,690
Laura Eisenhower and Andy passaggio and

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01:22:37,459 --> 01:22:35,100
some of these other characters who I

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01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:37,469
really have little regard for personally

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but in a professional manner in terms of

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01:22:43,459 --> 01:22:41,670
the credibility of their their work you

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01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:43,469
know where do you draw the line about

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getting involved in a conference or

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01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:48,030
speaking on a radio show I remember we

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01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,170
kind of spanked you a little bit about

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01:22:54,810 --> 01:22:51,760
being on the third phase of Moon

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01:22:56,910 --> 01:22:54,820
I didn't realize and skeptics I mean

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01:22:58,770 --> 01:22:56,920
Eric the red wants to know I'm not

2011
01:23:00,420 --> 01:22:58,780
really that sympathetic to those types

2012
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,430
of criticisms I am sympathetic to

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:02,560
criticisms of my work and if someone has

2014
01:23:06,500 --> 01:23:03,970
a legitimate beef about something that I

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01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:06,510
do I'm I'm all ears no one here

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01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:08,950
conferences I don't you know like I got

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01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:10,990
criticized a few times I did two

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01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:12,850
conferences with Project Camelot Kerry

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01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:15,250
Cassidy awakened aware what I remembered

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01:23:18,420 --> 01:23:16,810
people criticizing me over that and I

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01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:18,430
just thought you know look here's how I

2022
01:23:22,740 --> 01:23:20,560
look at it this is an opportunity for me

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01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,750
to reach a new public and that needs to

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01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:25,440
hear I feel the things that I had to say

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01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:28,510
particularly very new AG oriented public

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01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:32,140
which can be very problematic obviously

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in a lot of ways in this field and I

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01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:36,730
just felt like both of the times I did

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01:23:41,010 --> 01:23:39,550
awake and aware I was reaching a group

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01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,020
of people that really didn't know much

2031
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:42,880
about my work previously and I felt that

2032
01:23:47,070 --> 01:23:45,310
I did make a difference in fact both of

2033
01:23:49,410 --> 01:23:47,080
those videos on YouTube got tremendous

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01:23:51,450 --> 01:23:49,420
anumber of views so I was happy about it

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01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:51,460
when you do a conference you must know

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01:23:55,290 --> 01:23:53,890
this as well Chris I don't always know

2037
01:23:57,660 --> 01:23:55,300
every single person who's going to be

2038
01:23:59,790 --> 01:23:57,670
there or I may be asked to do a panel

2039
01:24:02,910 --> 01:23:59,800
with in the last couple of years there

2040
01:24:05,370 --> 01:24:02,920
have been a few instances in which I was

2041
01:24:08,370 --> 01:24:05,380
asked to do a panel with individuals who

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01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:08,380
I really do not support their work at

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01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:10,930
all or I don't support them even at all

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01:24:14,820 --> 01:24:13,330
personally I'm trying to be very very

2045
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:14,830
careful about not doing that anymore I

2046
01:24:19,950 --> 01:24:16,510
don't I don't want to be on stage with

2047
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:19,960
someone that I really think is well not

2048
01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:21,790
worthy of the field now if that person

2049
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:25,060
speaking at the same conference I don't

2050
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:26,650
really think it's fair for someone to

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01:24:29,340 --> 01:24:27,730
say oh well he appeared at the same

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01:24:31,770 --> 01:24:29,350
place so and so appear that I mean

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01:24:33,150 --> 01:24:31,780
there's a certain limited number of

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01:24:35,190 --> 01:24:33,160
appearances that you're gonna make and

2055
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:35,200
if someone invites me to say what I want

2056
01:24:39,810 --> 01:24:37,510
to say I you have to consider it of

2057
01:24:42,690 --> 01:24:39,820
course doesn't that give you these

2058
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:42,700
skeptics ammunition to say well if

2059
01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:44,290
you're willing to speak you know in the

2060
01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:45,790
same program is so and so on

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01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:47,500
such-and-such how can we take your work

2062
01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:49,210
seriously well well that's a specious

2063
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:51,940
argument I mean the fact is that this is

2064
01:24:57,540 --> 01:24:53,470
the type of thing that illegitimate

2065
01:25:00,450 --> 01:24:57,550
skeptics will do that they will attack

2066
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:00,460
that's not really attacking the data

2067
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:02,170
itself it's not attacking the argument

2068
01:25:05,730 --> 01:25:04,030
itself okay

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01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:05,740
laughter what I say and go after my

2070
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:07,480
methods but yeah that brings us to a

2071
01:25:11,340 --> 01:25:09,190
great question from Eric the red what

2072
01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:11,350
how would you characterize what we might

2073
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:13,870
call UFO literacy using that as an

2074
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:15,850
example among most UFO debunker and

2075
01:25:19,170 --> 01:25:17,770
skeptics that you've encountered he

2076
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:19,180
wants to know how do you know what how

2077
01:25:22,350 --> 01:25:20,320
would you characterize Michael

2078
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,360
schirmer's knowledge he's particularly

2079
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:24,400
interested well I think in general it's

2080
01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:27,610
actually fairly low her falling asleep

2081
01:25:31,410 --> 01:25:29,800
that I'll tell you a funny story about

2082
01:25:33,900 --> 01:25:31,420
Robert Schaeffer or so I was in Phoenix

2083
01:25:36,690 --> 01:25:33,910
with him this year at the UFO Congress

2084
01:25:39,150 --> 01:25:36,700
and I had maybe a 10-minute chat with

2085
01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:39,160
Robert Schaeffer and as it as we started

2086
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:41,110
talking like all these people started

2087
01:25:45,570 --> 01:25:43,930
surrounding us and I wanted to know like

2088
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:45,580
really what is Robert Schafer's

2089
01:25:49,290 --> 01:25:47,590
knowledge of his field I have to be

2090
01:25:51,210 --> 01:25:49,300
perfectly candid and just tell you this

2091
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:51,220
man knew nothing I had to wake him up

2092
01:25:57,210 --> 01:25:52,960
during one presentation he was against

2093
01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:57,220
the back back wall snoring snoring I

2094
01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:59,290
felt bad for him as I'm talking I'm

2095
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:00,820
thinking you you really don't know

2096
01:26:05,610 --> 01:26:03,490
anything about the Declassified

2097
01:26:08,130 --> 01:26:05,620
literature on this subject you you

2098
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:08,140
literally know nothing of value I think

2099
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:09,730
I probably said this to him but I was

2100
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:11,230
nice about it I didn't really even I

2101
01:26:15,540 --> 01:26:13,330
mean I wasn't on camera I didn't really

2102
01:26:17,490 --> 01:26:15,550
matter but I felt sorry for him to be

2103
01:26:20,130 --> 01:26:17,500
perfectly candid I thought this is the

2104
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:20,140
best you've got you've got nothing now

2105
01:26:24,330 --> 01:26:21,970
Shermer honest I've never had a

2106
01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:24,340
one-on-one with Michael Shermer but I've

2107
01:26:28,410 --> 01:26:26,020
never been impressed by his knowledge

2108
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:28,420
about the UFO phenomenon never not even

2109
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:33,220
a little bit yeah he's intelligent in in

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01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:35,770
his area but when he starts talking

2111
01:26:40,770 --> 01:26:38,250
about UFOs it's very evident

2112
01:26:43,410 --> 01:26:40,780
intelligence he's shooting primitive

2113
01:26:45,900 --> 01:26:43,420
radio waves out trying to or looking for

2114
01:26:48,630 --> 01:26:45,910
radio waves rather that have been shot

2115
01:26:50,670 --> 01:26:48,640
out to me that maybe maybe you're I

2116
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:50,680
think I don't think he's a dummy but I

2117
01:26:53,370 --> 01:26:52,450
just don't think he's knowledgeable at

2118
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:53,380
all about this field

2119
01:26:59,310 --> 01:26:57,130
he's shockingly shockingly ignorant who

2120
01:27:01,620 --> 01:26:59,320
would be good I mean at least fill class

2121
01:27:04,110 --> 01:27:01,630
like knew some of the kids Lance Moody I

2122
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:04,120
think we've had a very contentious

2123
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:07,270
relationship here on the podcast forum

2124
01:27:11,730 --> 01:27:08,890
with Lance and we've had Lance on the

2125
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:11,740
show I think the work that he does by

2126
01:27:15,940 --> 01:27:14,290
and large if he doesn't get this real

2127
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,950
negative passion going

2128
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:17,360
the actual work that he does the

2129
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:19,490
research that he does and in to a lesser

2130
01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:21,410
degree Anthony big awliya I think he

2131
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,480
puts too much spin on stuff Lance Lance

2132
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:25,520
is very good because he figures out

2133
01:27:29,650 --> 01:27:27,920
where the facts are yeah and then stands

2134
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:29,660
you know very historically behind them

2135
01:27:32,980 --> 01:27:31,040
that's good

2136
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:32,990
which I like well here's one from Eric

2137
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:34,730
the read I love this question boy I wish

2138
01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:37,280
somebody would ask me this let's say you

2139
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:39,230
were gifted a hundred million dollars on

2140
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:40,730
the condition you would spend the money

2141
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:43,130
on bringing the UFO topic to a point of

2142
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:45,050
resolution or understanding as quickly

2143
01:27:48,030 --> 01:27:47,030
as possible what would you do with the

2144
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:48,040
money

2145
01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:50,810
Wow a hundred million dollars your first

2146
01:27:54,610 --> 01:27:53,060
hire a business manager I would get that

2147
01:27:57,700 --> 01:27:54,620
ivory backscratcher I've been hankering

2148
01:27:59,260 --> 01:27:57,710
for which would maybe costs you know ten

2149
01:28:01,090 --> 01:27:59,270
thousand dollars but after that then I'm

2150
01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:01,100
gonna spend the rest of it seriously

2151
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:03,260
a hundred million dollars that's an

2152
01:28:08,140 --> 01:28:05,570
interesting question you never know some

2153
01:28:10,180 --> 01:28:08,150
rich you know industrialist you know

2154
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:10,190
might have this closet passion well I

2155
01:28:15,130 --> 01:28:11,210
would I would do a couple of different

2156
01:28:17,650 --> 01:28:15,140
things so I would probably find the best

2157
01:28:20,230 --> 01:28:17,660
and these would not be UFO people so the

2158
01:28:21,850 --> 01:28:20,240
best experts you'd have to take a

2159
01:28:22,930 --> 01:28:21,860
multi-faceted approach I think so you

2160
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:22,940
wouldn't want to do suit one thing

2161
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,410
because that's a lot of money so some of

2162
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:25,760
the people I would find some of the best

2163
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:30,410
FOIA activists in the country and I

2164
01:28:37,900 --> 01:28:34,490
would I would pay them to look for UFO

2165
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:37,910
FOIA information because I still don't

2166
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:39,860
think that that's so another you go out

2167
01:28:44,770 --> 01:28:42,530
and buy army of vacuum cleaners that

2168
01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:44,780
would that would be one element I would

2169
01:28:50,020 --> 01:28:47,470
I would probably want to get researchers

2170
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:50,030
activists or not activists but people

2171
01:28:54,430 --> 01:28:52,190
who know the FOIA system would be able

2172
01:28:58,480 --> 01:28:54,440
to be effective possibly at filing FOIA

2173
01:29:04,030 --> 01:28:58,490
requests and maybe around the world just

2174
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:04,040
hired Nick I might also try to bribe

2175
01:29:09,490 --> 01:29:07,010
people in WikiLeaks or anonymous

2176
01:29:12,130 --> 01:29:09,500
honestly you know to to pull information

2177
01:29:13,900 --> 01:29:12,140
out illegally out of media is well you

2178
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:13,910
know look let's let's get real so if I

2179
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:20,290
have money to play with I think that I

2180
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:23,600
at this point that there's UFO data that

2181
01:29:28,630 --> 01:29:26,000
is locked up in the classified bowels

2182
01:29:31,870 --> 01:29:28,640
that may never be released and so if I

2183
01:29:34,570 --> 01:29:31,880
access to pay my own contingent in in

2184
01:29:36,010 --> 01:29:34,580
some of these activist groups I think I

2185
01:29:39,610 --> 01:29:36,020
would look out reach out and I would do

2186
01:29:40,780 --> 01:29:39,620
that so that would be on that aspect of

2187
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:40,790
it the other thing I think that would be

2188
01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:44,810
useful would be to um hopefully as

2189
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:47,620
intelligently as as possible to organize

2190
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:52,370
a data collection system you know

2191
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:53,510
something like what you're doing now

2192
01:29:59,230 --> 01:29:56,330
Chris but you know with good funding

2193
01:30:00,370 --> 01:29:59,240
good oversight good collaboration we'll

2194
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:00,380
have an option

2195
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:02,960
pick out your top you know five or six

2196
01:30:07,630 --> 01:30:05,930
hot spots right I think that would be

2197
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:07,640
that would be something I still would

2198
01:30:14,350 --> 01:30:09,490
leave probably a great deal of money

2199
01:30:16,780 --> 01:30:14,360
maybe 120 thousand times how many setups

2200
01:30:19,870 --> 01:30:16,790
you have you know as a general rule of

2201
01:30:21,970 --> 01:30:19,880
thumb a hundred thousand I'm saying

2202
01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:21,980
bribery with a little bit of a smirk so

2203
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:26,270
I understand but I have to think about

2204
01:30:31,660 --> 01:30:28,850
that one I don't know I think government

2205
01:30:38,610 --> 01:30:31,670
FOIA activists okay I've got Richard

2206
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independently leading the way for the

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nation's compelling talk for every

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political persuasion we are and first

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came attack of the rock codes and it was

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a critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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[Music]

2312
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:13,620
you know I wish we didn't have a clock

2313
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:15,570
because we have to follow a specific

2314
01:35:20,660 --> 01:35:18,449
schedule it's computerized in the radio

2315
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:20,670
business with all the networks and so we

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01:35:24,379 --> 01:35:23,040
have to break a specific time and then

2317
01:35:26,660 --> 01:35:24,389
sometimes a guest starts going and

2318
01:35:28,430 --> 01:35:26,670
things just get fascinating like what

2319
01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:28,440
would Richard Dolan do with a hundred

2320
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:30,300
million dollars with which to

2321
01:35:34,430 --> 01:35:32,880
investigate UFOs well you know there's

2322
01:35:35,930 --> 01:35:34,440
people out there who are willing to fund

2323
01:35:37,729 --> 01:35:35,940
political campaigns

2324
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they'll give some of the craziest

2325
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:40,350
candidates on the planet or at least

2326
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:42,650
here in the US a hundred million dollars

2327
01:35:48,620 --> 01:35:46,050
yes I think something else that could be

2328
01:35:56,540 --> 01:35:48,630
done with that money would be to find a

2329
01:35:58,610 --> 01:35:56,550
way to jumpstart a kind of abroad like

2330
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,620
to create the organization that that

2331
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:01,199
MUFON needs to be in other words to

2332
01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:06,900
create a kind of public based yeah I

2333
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:08,460
don't even know if this is possible but

2334
01:36:18,770 --> 01:36:09,690
I think it should be possible like a

2335
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:18,780
public based right so I think that might

2336
01:36:27,169 --> 01:36:24,320
be a good way to go get outfitted with a

2337
01:36:30,379 --> 01:36:27,179
you know some sort of analytical lab

2338
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:30,389
where you could analyze rudimentary

2339
01:36:35,209 --> 01:36:31,850
physical evidence but but mostly

2340
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:35,219
forensic visual evidence instrumented

2341
01:36:40,879 --> 01:36:38,489
data analysis that sort of thing yeah

2342
01:36:42,649 --> 01:36:40,889
yeah yeah I mean you and a research

2343
01:36:43,970 --> 01:36:42,659
center gosh you could just spend a few

2344
01:36:47,810 --> 01:36:43,980
million dollars and have the a

2345
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:47,820
world-class you know library of research

2346
01:36:53,180 --> 01:36:51,449
materials absolutely no absolutely yeah

2347
01:36:54,919 --> 01:36:53,190
I mean I think our history is actually

2348
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:54,929
an important part of this phenomenon

2349
01:37:00,439 --> 01:36:56,449
it's not exactly new stuff it's actually

2350
01:37:02,419 --> 01:37:00,449
you know preserving all of all the old

2351
01:37:04,220 --> 01:37:02,429
data that was collected by researchers

2352
01:37:06,649 --> 01:37:04,230
from that in the 40s and 50s and 60s

2353
01:37:09,140 --> 01:37:06,659
right in collate all the best cases into

2354
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:09,150
a database worldwide you know yeah hire

2355
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:11,310
hire archivists hire analysts to go

2356
01:37:15,140 --> 01:37:13,110
through it maybe train some people to go

2357
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:15,150
over and start dovetailing with India

2358
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:16,070
with China

2359
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:19,570
with Indonesia more more inner

2360
01:37:23,530 --> 01:37:21,770
connectedness with South America and

2361
01:37:26,890 --> 01:37:23,540
Latin speaking countries Africa is

2362
01:37:30,100 --> 01:37:26,900
virtually untouched exactly exactly

2363
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:30,110
interesting question well you think

2364
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:33,290
maybe it makes sense to pitch this who

2365
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:35,510
the people who really have the money are

2366
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:37,310
involved in politics like the Koch

2367
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:39,050
brothers they've had multiple billions

2368
01:37:42,670 --> 01:37:40,730
of dollars what fifty a hundred billion

2369
01:37:44,530 --> 01:37:42,680
dollars can't they spend a hundred

2370
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:44,540
million to check this out

2371
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:46,850
well I in theory some of them have the

2372
01:37:51,490 --> 01:37:48,710
cash I don't have access to any of these

2373
01:37:53,740 --> 01:37:51,500
people so if I had the ability to get in

2374
01:37:55,330 --> 01:37:53,750
front of them and charm them and

2375
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:55,340
sweet-talk them

2376
01:37:59,620 --> 01:37:58,010
hey maybe it'd happen I don't know the

2377
01:38:01,420 --> 01:37:59,630
Koch brothers I don't know George Soros

2378
01:38:03,580 --> 01:38:01,430
I don't know any of these people so it

2379
01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:03,590
would be rather difficult for me without

2380
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:06,380
an introduction you know Waltons we

2381
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could say goodnight Mary oh yeah exactly

2382
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,150
goodnight john-boy it's a nice fantasy

2383
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:13,280
to think about whether they would they

2384
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:15,170
would do it is that's a whole other

2385
01:38:24,090 --> 01:38:17,440
issue but you know who has the money

2386
01:38:27,220 --> 01:38:24,100
Paul McCartney Walton money doesn't have

2387
01:38:27,850 --> 01:38:27,230
Koch brothers money or he's got billion

2388
01:38:29,950 --> 01:38:27,860
dollars

2389
01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:29,960
well he got outbid of years ago by

2390
01:38:32,890 --> 01:38:31,490
Michael Jackson over his own music

2391
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:32,900
though didn't he yeah who wouldn't even

2392
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sell him back one song yeah the only

2393
01:38:39,150 --> 01:38:36,590
song you wanted back and that was

2394
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:39,160
yesterday and Jackson wouldn't do it

2395
01:38:48,940 --> 01:38:46,130
yeah well anyway this okay so we'll move

2396
01:38:51,010 --> 01:38:48,950
it along here again back to the

2397
01:38:52,450 --> 01:38:51,020
skeptical thing you know you've had to

2398
01:38:54,370 --> 01:38:52,460
deal with them I've had to deal with

2399
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:54,380
them I've had to deal with look in the

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01:38:58,750 --> 01:38:55,760
mirror and deal with myself at times

2401
01:39:00,370 --> 01:38:58,760
which is I think healthy to you this

2402
01:39:02,110 --> 01:39:00,380
again from America read to you what are

2403
01:39:04,270 --> 01:39:02,120
the strongest skeptical arguments and

2404
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:04,280
what are you replies to these things

2405
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,410
well what it has to you know what what

2406
01:39:09,670 --> 01:39:07,760
skeptical arguments are we talk just

2407
01:39:11,230 --> 01:39:09,680
just in general I mean how often you run

2408
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:11,240
into a skeptic what's what's the first

2409
01:39:15,550 --> 01:39:13,490
thing or the most common thing that they

2410
01:39:17,890 --> 01:39:15,560
dog you about and then how do you

2411
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:17,900
respond to it

2412
01:39:23,110 --> 01:39:20,570
I would say one of the most common

2413
01:39:26,530 --> 01:39:23,120
things that skeptics will offer is that

2414
01:39:28,270 --> 01:39:26,540
what we consider be UFOs are when

2415
01:39:29,620 --> 01:39:28,280
they're anything at all are classified

2416
01:39:32,530 --> 01:39:29,630
technology

2417
01:39:34,060 --> 01:39:32,540
and you know the one thing that I keep

2418
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:34,070
coming back to is when I look at this

2419
01:39:38,410 --> 01:39:36,530
phenomenon and historically I look at

2420
01:39:40,510 --> 01:39:38,420
the earliest documents that we have

2421
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:40,520
available to us from the end of the Cold

2422
01:39:42,850 --> 01:39:42,410
War excuse me from the end of World War

2423
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:42,860
two

2424
01:39:47,290 --> 01:39:45,440
early Cold War and I just keep coming

2425
01:39:49,930 --> 01:39:47,300
back to the fact that we have documented

2426
01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:49,940
airspace violations of very sensitive

2427
01:39:54,150 --> 01:39:52,490
places many of them nuclear

2428
01:39:58,920 --> 01:39:54,160
installations in the early nuclear

2429
01:40:01,360 --> 01:39:58,930
technology era that show again and again

2430
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:01,370
objects described as either round in

2431
01:40:05,500 --> 01:40:03,410
form or disc shaped violating the

2432
01:40:07,690 --> 01:40:05,510
airspace with maneuvers that were

2433
01:40:09,730 --> 01:40:07,700
supposed to be impossible with attempted

2434
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,740
interceptions and these these are

2435
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:11,360
documented in some of these memos that

2436
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:14,090
were attempted and failed and that we're

2437
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:15,590
taking seriously within the classified

2438
01:40:19,390 --> 01:40:17,450
world so I keep coming back to that and

2439
01:40:21,550 --> 01:40:19,400
I asked myself what how is it that

2440
01:40:22,930 --> 01:40:21,560
black-budget technology can explain that

2441
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:22,940
and I I just don't have a good answer

2442
01:40:27,340 --> 01:40:25,010
that's a question here because it

2443
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:27,350
follows from that do you think there's

2444
01:40:34,110 --> 01:40:29,990
anything in early UFO history that

2445
01:40:36,190 --> 01:40:34,120
represents a military test a military

2446
01:40:36,610 --> 01:40:36,200
trick and we'll give you an example of

2447
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:36,620
that

2448
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:39,530
James carry on have this book out called

2449
01:40:43,870 --> 01:40:41,810
the Rosetta deception I don't know if

2450
01:40:46,420 --> 01:40:43,880
you've seen it or heard of it suggesting

2451
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:46,430
the ghost rockets were just put up jobs

2452
01:40:50,590 --> 01:40:48,290
to spook the Russians for some reason

2453
01:40:53,290 --> 01:40:50,600
during World War two and I suspect he's

2454
01:40:56,350 --> 01:40:53,300
going to do something with Roswell to

2455
01:40:58,480 --> 01:40:56,360
indicate it's also a put-up job well

2456
01:41:01,690 --> 01:40:58,490
Joseph Ferrell has approached that that

2457
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:01,700
whole subject extensively that's right

2458
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:04,310
he has and well this interesting about

2459
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:06,770
Joseph who I know fairly well is that he

2460
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:08,690
is a personal believer in the

2461
01:41:14,410 --> 01:41:12,290
extra-terrestrial at least he does not

2462
01:41:15,820 --> 01:41:14,420
discount the et possibility of the UFO

2463
01:41:17,530 --> 01:41:15,830
phenomena and I think he actually

2464
01:41:19,870 --> 01:41:17,540
believes in it he also believes that

2465
01:41:22,510 --> 01:41:19,880
there's tremendous influence from German

2466
01:41:24,610 --> 01:41:22,520
/ Nazi technology into what we call UFOs

2467
01:41:27,310 --> 01:41:24,620
and I think he's probably right I think

2468
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:27,320
both of these these are part of it in

2469
01:41:30,220 --> 01:41:28,910
terms of the ghost rockets yeah I'm

2470
01:41:32,230 --> 01:41:30,230
aware that James Kerry made this

2471
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:32,240
argument I really have to become

2472
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:34,810
acquainted with the details of the

2473
01:41:39,490 --> 01:41:37,250
whatever archival sources he's uncovered

2474
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:39,500
and he did a good job with the research

2475
01:41:43,180 --> 01:41:40,850
there's some pretty compelling stuff

2476
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:43,190
there could be not many people know

2477
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:43,520
about

2478
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:44,900
goes to rocket waves around the

2479
01:41:51,940 --> 01:41:47,450
Mediterranean no that's exactly right

2480
01:41:54,130 --> 01:41:51,950
and what we do know is that US military

2481
01:41:56,140 --> 01:41:54,140
intelligence was on top of this

2482
01:41:57,790 --> 01:41:56,150
situation no matter what I mean we know

2483
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:57,800
that they shut down the Greek

2484
01:42:02,260 --> 01:42:00,320
investigation in 1946 Paul Santorini

2485
01:42:04,780 --> 01:42:02,270
famous Greek scientist talked explicitly

2486
01:42:06,970 --> 01:42:04,790
about this 20 years after the fact he

2487
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:06,980
said when we came to the conclusion that

2488
01:42:12,700 --> 01:42:09,290
these were not missiles he was not

2489
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,710
Russian he said an external government

2490
01:42:16,930 --> 01:42:14,960
came in he lied to us and shut the whole

2491
01:42:21,610 --> 01:42:16,940
and caused us to shut the whole thing

2492
01:42:23,140 --> 01:42:21,620
down the Greek investigation so the

2493
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:23,150
thing is this when you're talking about

2494
01:42:27,340 --> 01:42:24,190
us

2495
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:27,350
technology program our own rocket

2496
01:42:36,610 --> 01:42:35,210
program in 1946 was exactly but even

2497
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:36,620
getting that off the ground I mean there

2498
01:42:42,370 --> 01:42:39,170
was there is no infrastructure that

2499
01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:42,380
anyone really knew about that really I

2500
01:42:45,790 --> 01:42:44,030
think could have been capable of doing

2501
01:42:47,050 --> 01:42:45,800
this if maybe he's connecting it depend

2502
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:47,060
amundo but I don't really think that's

2503
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:50,170
viable no and with a range by the way

2504
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:53,570
that that would have been I think

2505
01:42:58,420 --> 01:42:56,210
tripled actually in one year's time from

2506
01:43:00,270 --> 01:42:58,430
what the leading uh at least as far as

2507
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:00,280
the analysis that I remembered reading

2508
01:43:08,370 --> 01:43:03,530
you know with a vastly increased range

2509
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:08,380
like almost overnight over the v2s so

2510
01:43:14,170 --> 01:43:11,410
apparent landings and in some cases

2511
01:43:16,750 --> 01:43:14,180
maneuvers that these things I don't

2512
01:43:17,890 --> 01:43:16,760
think they I don't think it works to

2513
01:43:19,810 --> 01:43:17,900
call him rocket and by the way then

2514
01:43:23,140 --> 01:43:19,820
there is a declassified Swedish report

2515
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:23,150
that was not too classified until 1985 I

2516
01:43:27,250 --> 01:43:25,370
don't know if James deals with this but

2517
01:43:29,650 --> 01:43:27,260
this is a very important statement in my

2518
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:29,660
opinion because what you had in the

2519
01:43:34,750 --> 01:43:31,550
Swedes were looking into this in 1946

2520
01:43:38,140 --> 01:43:34,760
and in a very long-winded conclusion

2521
01:43:43,020 --> 01:43:38,150
they said wish I had it in front of me I

2522
01:43:46,060 --> 01:43:44,950
basically their conclusion was this

2523
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:46,070
looks like this is not of our

2524
01:43:50,710 --> 01:43:48,770
civilization they did a very kind of

2525
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:50,720
roundabout way of saying it but that was

2526
01:43:57,490 --> 01:43:55,760
their conclusion in 1946 so again if

2527
01:44:00,700 --> 01:43:57,500
this is classified us technology

2528
01:44:02,860 --> 01:44:00,710
it was that good to make us Swedish

2529
01:44:05,110 --> 01:44:02,870
allies who the US was conferring with at

2530
01:44:09,790 --> 01:44:05,120
that time by the way believed that this

2531
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:09,800
was possibly interplanetary so I don't

2532
01:44:15,070 --> 01:44:12,650
know I'm really I'm not saying that

2533
01:44:17,130 --> 01:44:15,080
there's no secret technology explanation

2534
01:44:19,390 --> 01:44:17,140
to some of these early sightings but

2535
01:44:24,010 --> 01:44:19,400
no-one's nailed it down to be honest I

2536
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:24,020
mean held in 1997 the CIA made their

2537
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:27,650
famous statement that you know more than

2538
01:44:31,420 --> 01:44:29,390
half of all UFO sightings after the mid

2539
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:31,430
1950s going into the 60s were up to you

2540
01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:34,970
two or the or the a12 oxcart and that's

2541
01:44:40,030 --> 01:44:36,710
just totally specious and unfounded by

2542
01:44:42,430 --> 01:44:40,040
any any research at all if James has got

2543
01:44:42,820 --> 01:44:42,440
something else and very good I should

2544
01:44:45,010 --> 01:44:42,830
read it

2545
01:44:46,690 --> 01:44:45,020
ya know it's definitely worth it I think

2546
01:44:49,870 --> 01:44:46,700
it was giving it away online if I'm not

2547
01:44:52,990 --> 01:44:49,880
mistaken yes currently offers the book

2548
01:44:55,060 --> 01:44:53,000
from a link at his website I think he's

2549
01:44:58,330 --> 01:44:55,070
working on a modified edition with more

2550
01:45:02,110 --> 01:44:58,340
information so it's good to look into

2551
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:02,120
all these possibilities and he dug up

2552
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:05,090
some good stuff let's do our break he

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2611
01:48:08,780 --> 01:48:05,750
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2612
01:48:11,540 --> 01:48:08,790
who is written several very interesting

2613
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:11,550
UFO related books is writing a book

2614
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,840
about false flags as a UFO publisher why

2615
01:48:20,630 --> 01:48:18,000
does anyone want to become a UFO book

2616
01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:20,640
publisher Richard tell me I did it as

2617
01:48:26,630 --> 01:48:23,820
the only it's the only way that I'm able

2618
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,640
to figure out how to do this discipline

2619
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:28,560
full time so they don't have to have

2620
01:48:33,290 --> 01:48:31,650
like a job working for Xerox and so that

2621
01:48:35,210 --> 01:48:33,300
you know I don't want to just devote

2622
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:35,220
myself to doing this part time and I had

2623
01:48:41,740 --> 01:48:37,290
to figure out a way to do it so as a

2624
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:41,750
publisher so far modestly I'm able to

2625
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,370
make this my primary way of paying my

2626
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:46,800
bills keeps my head in the game so to

2627
01:48:51,260 --> 01:48:49,050
speak it keeps me on top of some

2628
01:48:52,820 --> 01:48:51,270
fascinating new authors that I'm

2629
01:48:55,700 --> 01:48:52,830
actually very proud to be a publisher of

2630
01:48:58,490 --> 01:48:55,710
bless Yoda comes down to when I started

2631
01:49:00,890 --> 01:48:58,500
doing UFO research back in the early 90s

2632
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,900
it was a time-consuming thing and the

2633
01:49:04,460 --> 01:49:02,880
only way I was able to do it is that I

2634
01:49:06,350 --> 01:49:04,470
worked for myself as an independent

2635
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:06,360
writer back then back then I was writing

2636
01:49:12,110 --> 01:49:09,450
professional resumes for people I had

2637
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:12,120
left the academic world in at that time

2638
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:15,690
94 95 I know how to write is something

2639
01:49:19,550 --> 01:49:16,860
that I've always been able to do well

2640
01:49:21,260 --> 01:49:19,560
and I would have people come into my

2641
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:21,270
office and I'd sit down with him and I'd

2642
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:22,890
make them look beautiful on paper within

2643
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:25,050
the boundaries of truth but because I

2644
01:49:29,450 --> 01:49:26,880
work for myself I was able to set my own

2645
01:49:31,340 --> 01:49:29,460
hours and I was able to do a tremendous

2646
01:49:33,050 --> 01:49:31,350
amount of UFO research in that way but

2647
01:49:34,610 --> 01:49:33,060
the fact was I want to write

2648
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:34,620
professional resumes for the rest of my

2649
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:36,930
life good grief what I wanted to do is

2650
01:49:41,180 --> 01:49:38,760
throw myself into this field full time

2651
01:49:43,190 --> 01:49:41,190
and so I had to figure out how do I do

2652
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:43,200
it I've always been the kind of person

2653
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:45,150
who wants to work for myself I'm not

2654
01:49:48,710 --> 01:49:46,710
really good at working for a large

2655
01:49:52,859 --> 01:49:48,720
company or a small company at all and do

2656
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:52,869
that who do best working for themselves

2657
01:49:56,279 --> 01:49:54,010
of the kind of people who would be

2658
01:49:58,319 --> 01:49:56,289
misfits in a big corporation they'd

2659
01:50:01,290 --> 01:49:58,329
either be bored to death or because

2660
01:50:03,839 --> 01:50:01,300
they're independent thinkers they selves

2661
01:50:04,649 --> 01:50:03,849
on the wrong side of the information

2662
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:04,659
ship of the boss

2663
01:50:10,169 --> 01:50:07,570
that's absolutely me that's that fits me

2664
01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:10,179
to a tee and I've just never been a

2665
01:50:15,060 --> 01:50:12,760
really good organizational person and

2666
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:15,070
I'm not saying that that makes me better

2667
01:50:18,419 --> 01:50:17,199
or worse it just makes it it's difficult

2668
01:50:20,879 --> 01:50:18,429
for me to fit in like that I've never

2669
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:20,889
been able to do that and I will just add

2670
01:50:26,399 --> 01:50:24,249
that I took a huge financial hit

2671
01:50:27,029 --> 01:50:26,409
throughout my entire life because of my

2672
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:27,039
decision

2673
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:29,530
I left the academic world because I

2674
01:50:33,629 --> 01:50:32,169
didn't want to go I mean the job market

2675
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:33,639
for historians bottom doubt in the early

2676
01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:35,169
90s and I don't want to go dragging my

2677
01:50:39,089 --> 01:50:37,449
family looking for some adjunct position

2678
01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:39,099
somewhere I said the hell with that

2679
01:50:43,799 --> 01:50:41,320
and I had a five-minute conversation

2680
01:50:45,330 --> 01:50:43,809
with myself literally whether I wanted

2681
01:50:47,639 --> 01:50:45,340
to go into corporate America I was in my

2682
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:47,649
early 30s and after thinking about what

2683
01:50:51,149 --> 01:50:49,449
my life would be like I decided I would

2684
01:50:53,580 --> 01:50:51,159
rather slit my wrists I just couldn't do

2685
01:50:56,639 --> 01:50:53,590
it so that left me very few options and

2686
01:50:59,489 --> 01:50:56,649
I supported my family as my kids were

2687
01:51:02,580 --> 01:50:59,499
growing up on a very meager income but I

2688
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:02,590
was earning my own money and I would not

2689
01:51:06,179 --> 01:51:03,760
do it any other way

2690
01:51:08,219 --> 01:51:06,189
I'm obsessed with this phenomenon and

2691
01:51:09,719 --> 01:51:08,229
obsessed with this topic and and I don't

2692
01:51:10,859 --> 01:51:09,729
want to be anything other than a writer

2693
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:10,869
for the rest of my life

2694
01:51:14,939 --> 01:51:13,090
how many lives do you have I have two

2695
01:51:18,389 --> 01:51:14,949
children my son is 19 my daughter's

2696
01:51:22,529 --> 01:51:18,399
almost 17 now okay so you have college

2697
01:51:24,689 --> 01:51:22,539
bills Yeah right I do that never goes

2698
01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:24,699
away the financial officials never go

2699
01:51:29,580 --> 01:51:26,289
away but well with the way the student

2700
01:51:31,919 --> 01:51:29,590
loans are now the loans never go away no

2701
01:51:33,989 --> 01:51:31,929
it's a horrible it's a it's a terrible

2702
01:51:36,689 --> 01:51:33,999
system based on thievery in my opinion

2703
01:51:42,469 --> 01:51:36,699
that's a whole other topic but for me to

2704
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,479
another show for me the only thing

2705
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:44,800
professionally that I want to do for the

2706
01:51:48,089 --> 01:51:46,719
rest of my life is right public speaking

2707
01:51:50,189 --> 01:51:48,099
doing radio interviews all about a

2708
01:51:53,069 --> 01:51:50,199
secondary I just want to write I don't

2709
01:51:56,509 --> 01:51:53,079
want to dilute my time having to have a

2710
01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:56,519
job or I have to work for some company

2711
01:52:00,899 --> 01:51:59,320
which owns my body and soul for certain

2712
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:00,909
number of hours a week I just can't I

2713
01:52:05,849 --> 01:52:04,300
couldn't do it it would kill me so the

2714
01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:05,859
reason I have Richard Dolan published

2715
01:52:08,670 --> 01:52:06,430
Richard

2716
01:52:11,010 --> 01:52:08,680
impress formerly keyhole publishing is

2717
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:11,020
that this is it this is the only way

2718
01:52:15,240 --> 01:52:13,360
that I can currently think of that will

2719
01:52:16,670 --> 01:52:15,250
give me a certain level of Independence

2720
01:52:19,170 --> 01:52:16,680
so I can throw myself into this

2721
01:52:21,660 --> 01:52:19,180
phenomenon with the amount of time that

2722
01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:21,670
I feel that I want to give it that if I

2723
01:52:25,530 --> 01:52:23,020
find a better way in the future I'll

2724
01:52:28,260 --> 01:52:25,540
I'll do that yeah you can start giving

2725
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:28,270
workshops and I'll be there even a lot

2726
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:29,770
of authors some very good right advice

2727
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:31,360
on writing I feel like this is something

2728
01:52:35,700 --> 01:52:33,250
I figured out like how do you actually

2729
01:52:37,650 --> 01:52:35,710
write a book how do you organize it how

2730
01:52:41,430 --> 01:52:37,660
do you how do you go through the process

2731
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:41,440
and I could give a workshop on that yeah

2732
01:52:46,980 --> 01:52:44,050
how many good copy editors is a real

2733
01:52:50,700 --> 01:52:46,990
good thing oh yeah for sure

2734
01:52:54,420 --> 01:52:50,710
sure well let's get to another subject

2735
01:52:56,190 --> 01:52:54,430
that kind of initially sort of diverted

2736
01:53:00,600 --> 01:52:56,200
you from the process of finishing up

2737
01:53:02,130 --> 01:53:00,610
your third book in the in the series of

2738
01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:02,140
UFO in the national security state and

2739
01:53:07,110 --> 01:53:04,540
that was ad after disclosure yeah we

2740
01:53:10,380 --> 01:53:07,120
have a question here from last laugh who

2741
01:53:12,300 --> 01:53:10,390
is a fairly new sign up at forum dr.

2742
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:12,310
Peric ascom where you can ask questions

2743
01:53:16,830 --> 01:53:15,250
of our guests and he's wondering what

2744
01:53:17,940 --> 01:53:16,840
good evidence have you seen that makes

2745
01:53:19,710 --> 01:53:17,950
you think that something like a

2746
01:53:21,930 --> 01:53:19,720
breakaway civilization is likely or

2747
01:53:24,690 --> 01:53:21,940
possible we were kind of toying around

2748
01:53:26,940 --> 01:53:24,700
with that subject a little bit by

2749
01:53:30,060 --> 01:53:26,950
talking about you know possible Nazi

2750
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:30,070
technology evolving in a covert way but

2751
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:33,010
you know I know this this subject has

2752
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:36,370
has has fascinated you and you're one of

2753
01:53:39,660 --> 01:53:37,810
the few people really willing to talk

2754
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:39,670
about it what do you think I I am

2755
01:53:44,490 --> 01:53:41,410
fascinated but will I coin the phrase

2756
01:53:46,740 --> 01:53:44,500
breakaway civilization and other people

2757
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:46,750
have taken it up and talk about it I

2758
01:53:51,210 --> 01:53:48,610
it's it's out there now it's part of the

2759
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:51,220
currency it's fascinating to me it's

2760
01:53:54,900 --> 01:53:53,050
like watching a little child that you

2761
01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:54,910
record weapon then just do have its own

2762
01:54:01,260 --> 01:53:58,330
life I think I've always considered it a

2763
01:54:04,340 --> 01:54:01,270
hypothesis that I think is a logical

2764
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:04,350
hypothesis there have been a couple of

2765
01:54:09,170 --> 01:54:06,490
individuals from the classified world

2766
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:09,180
who give me good reason to continue

2767
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:12,730
promoting it but the idea of a breakaway

2768
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:14,610
civilization I think is is actually

2769
01:54:20,729 --> 01:54:19,870
alarmingly simple we know that at least

2770
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:20,739
in certain

2771
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:24,610
the classified world has had certain key

2772
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:27,250
advantages over what we might call the

2773
01:54:30,060 --> 01:54:28,719
white world the black budget world over

2774
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:30,070
the over the you know the non black

2775
01:54:37,340 --> 01:54:33,370
budget world and we also know that there

2776
01:54:39,810 --> 01:54:37,350
are a large number of classified patents

2777
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:39,820
and many of these happen to be in the

2778
01:54:46,979 --> 01:54:43,150
field of energy by the way so there are

2779
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:46,989
areas of intellectual effort that are

2780
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:51,010
off-limits to to the public and that I

2781
01:54:57,150 --> 01:54:53,650
don't think one can argue against I went

2782
01:54:59,760 --> 01:54:57,160
on a couple of high but and one of the

2783
01:55:01,590 --> 01:54:59,770
things that triggered my my interest in

2784
01:55:03,810 --> 01:55:01,600
my idea of a breakaway civilization was

2785
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:03,820
a conversation I had with a civilian

2786
01:55:09,180 --> 01:55:06,880
scientist who had done contract work for

2787
01:55:11,670 --> 01:55:09,190
the National Security Agency in the mid

2788
01:55:12,650 --> 01:55:11,680
1960s and he's a very brilliant man and

2789
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:12,660
I know him very well

2790
01:55:20,940 --> 01:55:15,520
one day I'll toss his name out there I

2791
01:55:23,310 --> 01:55:20,950
swear I will but he said to me that NSA

2792
01:55:26,209 --> 01:55:23,320
computers circa 1965 had a clock speed

2793
01:55:29,700 --> 01:55:26,219
that he knew of of 650 megahertz

2794
01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:29,710
today that's nothing of course in 1965

2795
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:31,390
first of all practically no one had

2796
01:55:35,250 --> 01:55:33,370
computers that clock speed was not

2797
01:55:37,020 --> 01:55:35,260
reached by the consumer market until

2798
01:55:40,410 --> 01:55:37,030
around the year 2000 which is 35 years

2799
01:55:43,050 --> 01:55:40,420
later so on that metric at the very

2800
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:43,060
least you could say the NSA was very

2801
01:55:49,950 --> 01:55:45,730
well that's a frightening statement I

2802
01:55:51,570 --> 01:55:49,960
had no idea right so and you know we we

2803
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:51,580
hear these types of things coming out

2804
01:55:55,590 --> 01:55:53,920
these types of leaks claims coming out

2805
01:55:56,670 --> 01:55:55,600
and I think there's enough of them out

2806
01:55:59,640 --> 01:55:56,680
there that we have to take them quite

2807
01:56:02,540 --> 01:55:59,650
seriously so what if that's the case

2808
01:56:05,550 --> 01:56:02,550
then what if if there have been any

2809
01:56:08,610 --> 01:56:05,560
retrievals of exotic technology in the

2810
01:56:11,250 --> 01:56:08,620
form of UFOs ever I believe the answer

2811
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:11,260
to that is yes let's factor that into

2812
01:56:16,410 --> 01:56:12,850
the equation then so I think what would

2813
01:56:18,930 --> 01:56:16,420
happen is you've got a very very deeply

2814
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:18,940
clandestine black-budget world

2815
01:56:25,110 --> 01:56:21,520
we've got genius level scientists

2816
01:56:28,110 --> 01:56:25,120
studying the dollars missing so right

2817
01:56:30,860 --> 01:56:28,120
DoD that's right so what what could they

2818
01:56:33,870 --> 01:56:30,870
come up with left to their own devices

2819
01:56:34,620 --> 01:56:33,880
advances in our conventional technology

2820
01:56:35,939 --> 01:56:34,630
absolutely

2821
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:35,949
could they come up with breakthroughs

2822
01:56:38,970 --> 01:56:37,570
sure they could if they did come up with

2823
01:56:41,370 --> 01:56:38,980
a breakthrough in energy or in

2824
01:56:43,500 --> 01:56:41,380
propulsion these would not they could

2825
01:56:45,540 --> 01:56:43,510
never be allowed just to leach out to

2826
01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:45,550
the world they could not be there goes

2827
01:56:50,189 --> 01:56:47,800
petroleum there goes it is such a

2828
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:50,199
revolutionary thing it would be kept

2829
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:52,090
classified but that wouldn't mean that

2830
01:56:56,669 --> 01:56:55,090
research would stop so my thinking on us

2831
01:56:57,870 --> 01:56:56,679
was simply that within the classified

2832
01:57:00,030 --> 01:56:57,880
world they would continue this research

2833
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:00,040
keep it held back would they then be

2834
01:57:03,689 --> 01:57:01,750
able to create their own versions of a

2835
01:57:05,820 --> 01:57:03,699
flying saucer at some point I think the

2836
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:05,830
answer is probably yes and again we have

2837
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:10,210
a lot of testimony I mean I remember

2838
01:57:14,340 --> 01:57:12,130
reading a statements by James Goodall

2839
01:57:16,830 --> 01:57:14,350
from the mid-1980s James godot's damge

2840
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:16,840
journalist working groom lake back at

2841
01:57:20,040 --> 01:57:18,130
that time it developed a number of

2842
01:57:21,660 --> 01:57:20,050
contacts who said famously now in my

2843
01:57:23,070 --> 01:57:21,670
opinion we have things in the Nevada

2844
01:57:24,570 --> 01:57:23,080
desert that would make George Lucas

2845
01:57:25,890 --> 01:57:24,580
envious better than Star Wars better

2846
01:57:27,479 --> 01:57:25,900
than Star Trek anything you see in the

2847
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:27,489
movies this is mid-1980s

2848
01:57:31,709 --> 01:57:29,650
let's go into more of this in our next

2849
01:57:37,820 --> 01:57:31,719
segment with Richard Dolan and Jean and

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2870
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2924
02:00:50,580 --> 02:00:48,489
frozen bank accounts confiscation of

2925
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:50,590
stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

2926
02:00:54,540 --> 02:00:52,510
the US citizen will ever again have the

2927
02:00:56,970 --> 02:00:54,550
right to life liberty and the pursuit of

2928
02:00:59,040 --> 02:00:56,980
happiness unfortunately with the drug

2929
02:01:01,890 --> 02:00:59,050
and money laundering Act the IRS Revenue

2930
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:01,900
Ruling 60-45 of 1984 and the trading

2931
02:01:06,180 --> 02:01:03,250
with the enemy Act in Franklin D

2932
02:01:08,010 --> 02:01:06,190
Roosevelt executive order of 1933 some

2933
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:08,020
precious metal holdings are subject to

2934
02:01:11,790 --> 02:01:10,090
government intervention for this reason

2935
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:11,800
Midas Resources has prepared a report

2936
02:01:15,419 --> 02:01:13,570
exploiting the boundaries of trading

2937
02:01:17,310 --> 02:01:15,429
precious metals privately whether if you

2938
02:01:19,020 --> 02:01:17,320
have any intention of trading with Midas

2939
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:19,030
resources or not I've instructed my

2940
02:01:27,590 --> 02:01:20,650
representatives to give this report out

2941
02:01:43,780 --> 02:01:40,800
[Music]

2942
02:01:45,790 --> 02:01:43,790
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2943
02:01:49,780 --> 02:01:45,800
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2944
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:49,790
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2945
02:01:55,180 --> 02:01:53,210
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2946
02:01:58,360 --> 02:01:55,190
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2947
02:02:03,040 --> 02:01:58,370
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2948
02:02:04,899 --> 02:02:03,050
podcast calm by way of research I was

2949
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:04,909
doing a little online research we're

2950
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:06,770
talking about the speeds of computer

2951
02:02:13,090 --> 02:02:08,570
processors and he mentioned six hundred

2952
02:02:17,740 --> 02:02:13,100
some-odd megahertz the intel pentium 3

2953
02:02:21,220 --> 02:02:17,750
with one gigahertz premiered in March of

2954
02:02:24,430 --> 02:02:21,230
2000 ok so is the last thing a gigahertz

2955
02:02:27,729 --> 02:02:24,440
before and when a 486 was like whoa you

2956
02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:27,739
got a 486 yeah I remember I did my own

2957
02:02:31,330 --> 02:02:29,570
research on this at some point gene and

2958
02:02:32,740 --> 02:02:31,340
I recalled can I don't remember the

2959
02:02:34,660 --> 02:02:32,750
numbers now but I remembered concluding

2960
02:02:37,810 --> 02:02:34,670
it was around 2000 when that number was

2961
02:02:40,750 --> 02:02:37,820
surpassing about right yeah yeah at that

2962
02:02:44,530 --> 02:02:40,760
point Apple was using of course the

2963
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:44,540
PowerPC processor and around 2000 2001

2964
02:02:49,090 --> 02:02:45,920
they were hitting that range but it

2965
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:49,100
wasn't just the gigahertz

2966
02:02:53,290 --> 02:02:51,050
it's the efficiency and how well it

2967
02:02:54,879 --> 02:02:53,300
works that's a lot more complicated than

2968
02:02:56,500 --> 02:02:54,889
that yeah there's a lot of other metrics

2969
02:03:01,330 --> 02:02:56,510
on the oh yeah a lot of other metrics

2970
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:01,340
indeed forty years ago yeah that's the

2971
02:03:06,729 --> 02:03:03,530
big thing how could we have that when

2972
02:03:10,240 --> 02:03:06,739
you know I had what a 25 megahertz

2973
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:10,250
processor on a Mac back in like what

2974
02:03:15,220 --> 02:03:12,050
1998 it was fast

2975
02:03:20,890 --> 02:03:15,230
yeah me too I was at NSX 25 I think

2976
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:20,900
around that time with a dual just get

2977
02:03:25,379 --> 02:03:23,090
boot drive I think in there I don't

2978
02:03:29,260 --> 02:03:25,389
think I had a hard drive initially

2979
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:29,270
listen I remember buying a 100 megabyte

2980
02:03:37,090 --> 02:03:34,000
100 megabyte hard drive in 1989 for

2981
02:03:40,540 --> 02:03:37,100
$1,200 that's amazing I remember getting

2982
02:03:43,479 --> 02:03:40,550
these five megabyte hard drives at

2983
02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:43,489
office where I work in the mid 80s and a

2984
02:03:48,129 --> 02:03:45,920
cost of like $10,000 I thought my first

2985
02:03:49,700 --> 02:03:48,139
computer in 87 had no hard drive it had

2986
02:03:52,459 --> 02:03:49,710
a dual diskette and it

2987
02:03:53,959 --> 02:03:52,469
about $1,200 and it was slow say that

2988
02:03:56,660 --> 02:03:53,969
eight I think was an eight megahertz

2989
02:03:57,950 --> 02:03:56,670
clock speed I've got some drugs sitting

2990
02:03:59,959 --> 02:03:57,960
here in front of me that's got four

2991
02:04:01,729 --> 02:03:59,969
times that capability in terms of

2992
02:04:04,670 --> 02:04:01,739
storage space it's unbelievable I mean

2993
02:04:05,750 --> 02:04:04,680
it's just incredible 25 7s let's kind of

2994
02:04:06,770 --> 02:04:05,760
move on we're kind of running out of

2995
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:06,780
time here

2996
02:04:11,420 --> 02:04:08,340
the breakaways civilization though I

2997
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:11,430
guess just I don't have what I would

2998
02:04:15,560 --> 02:04:13,290
consider to be confirmed proof and I

2999
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:15,570
also what I would say is that one of the

3000
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:19,290
unforeseen things is I think it's not as

3001
02:04:24,770 --> 02:04:21,930
far ahead of us as it would be if there

3002
02:04:27,380 --> 02:04:24,780
were no internet in other words if we

3003
02:04:30,170 --> 02:04:27,390
did not have the web of the last 20 plus

3004
02:04:32,690 --> 02:04:30,180
years I think that we would have zero

3005
02:04:34,010 --> 02:04:32,700
ability to compete with breakaway

3006
02:04:35,570 --> 02:04:34,020
civilization but I don't think that's

3007
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:35,580
the case I think actually the

3008
02:04:39,380 --> 02:04:36,960
development of the web and development

3009
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:39,390
of what we're mean we're doing this cast

3010
02:04:43,459 --> 02:04:41,040
right in this power cast right now and

3011
02:04:45,709 --> 02:04:43,469
this would not have been possible really

3012
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:45,719
without without the internet and all the

3013
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:47,760
other types of amazing knowledge that

3014
02:04:51,650 --> 02:04:49,110
we've been able to develop because we've

3015
02:04:54,140 --> 02:04:51,660
shared information in the playing field

3016
02:04:55,250 --> 02:04:54,150
it has I think in an unexpected way it

3017
02:04:57,110 --> 02:04:55,260
doesn't mean that they're not the

3018
02:04:58,910 --> 02:04:57,120
black-budget world's not vastly ahead

3019
02:05:01,400 --> 02:04:58,920
and as they may have quantum computing

3020
02:05:03,410 --> 02:05:01,410
right now it's very possible but because

3021
02:05:05,870 --> 02:05:03,420
of the web because of the transformation

3022
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:05,880
of our civilization it's actually closed

3023
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:08,370
that gap I think considerably it's hard

3024
02:05:13,250 --> 02:05:10,050
it's hard to compete with trillions of

3025
02:05:16,670 --> 02:05:13,260
dollars in development money and even

3026
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:16,680
big low in that type of scenario would

3027
02:05:22,370 --> 02:05:18,810
be a real small fry and look at the

3028
02:05:26,570 --> 02:05:22,380
amount of sort of ability to come up

3029
02:05:29,330 --> 02:05:26,580
with NASA contracts and pay for R&D and

3030
02:05:31,340 --> 02:05:29,340
get that foothold into the particular

3031
02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:31,350
niche that he's decided to try to fill

3032
02:05:36,350 --> 02:05:34,050
do you think something like a big low is

3033
02:05:38,750 --> 02:05:36,360
just more window-dressing sort of well

3034
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:38,760
here's how you know fairly rich guy can

3035
02:05:43,340 --> 02:05:41,130
go about having the only known private

3036
02:05:45,020 --> 02:05:43,350
floating Space Station you know there's

3037
02:05:46,220 --> 02:05:45,030
some parts of this whole breakaway

3038
02:05:49,130 --> 02:05:46,230
civilization thing that don't make sense

3039
02:05:50,330 --> 02:05:49,140
to me you know where we lost what you

3040
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:50,340
consider what is a breakaway

3041
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:51,810
civilization it doesn't have to mean

3042
02:05:55,910 --> 02:05:54,000
that you've got a base under the ground

3043
02:05:57,680 --> 02:05:55,920
in Mars or the moon I mean it doesn't it

3044
02:06:00,020 --> 02:05:57,690
could mean do you think that we have

3045
02:06:01,580 --> 02:06:00,030
braces on Mars in the moon I don't know

3046
02:06:01,780 --> 02:06:01,590
that we don't have a base on the moon to

3047
02:06:03,370 --> 02:06:01,790
be

3048
02:06:07,390 --> 02:06:03,380
on a site I mean is I know this sounds

3049
02:06:09,310 --> 02:06:07,400
insane but I I think it's entirely

3050
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:09,320
possible Mars I don't I don't know if

3051
02:06:12,520 --> 02:06:11,360
you have one on the moon I don't see why

3052
02:06:14,260 --> 02:06:12,530
you couldn't have one on Mars to be

3053
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,270
honest were they being launched from

3054
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:16,400
someplace like Diego Garcia or some

3055
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:18,530
remote South you know Pacific island or

3056
02:06:23,320 --> 02:06:21,290
I mean some gold finger type thing is it

3057
02:06:25,180 --> 02:06:23,330
privatized the easiest things in world

3058
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:25,190
do it well it would be the easiest thing

3059
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:26,450
there'd well to do out of some Pacific

3060
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:30,650
atoll the ability to have a private

3061
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:33,410
don't know Chris I mean I that the real

3062
02:06:40,150 --> 02:06:36,530
power is quasi private quasi-government

3063
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:40,160
quasi public I think that's how how it

3064
02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:41,210
definitely works it certainly I don't

3065
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,530
think it's being run by the President of

3066
02:06:46,420 --> 02:06:44,480
the United States so if it's not being

3067
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:46,430
run by him who's who's doing it I mean

3068
02:06:50,410 --> 02:06:48,890
it's the guys who put the president into

3069
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:50,420
power you have the top 80's wealthiest

3070
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:52,730
people in world on half as much money as

3071
02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:54,560
the bottom half of humanity I'm not

3072
02:06:59,200 --> 02:06:56,410
saying they're the ones I was raising

3073
02:07:00,040 --> 02:06:59,210
yeah they're just gonna say here I can't

3074
02:07:02,290 --> 02:07:00,050
remember what you're talking about

3075
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:02,300
whether its private or government the

3076
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:06,290
actual you know how would I put it the

3077
02:07:09,130 --> 02:07:08,000
one thing about the moon is I've said

3078
02:07:10,810 --> 02:07:09,140
this many times and I don't want to

3079
02:07:13,420 --> 02:07:10,820
belabor it too many but I've spoken at

3080
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:13,430
length numerous times at a conversation

3081
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:14,960
I had over a decade ago with Russell

3082
02:07:18,070 --> 02:07:16,490
Targ who was one of the scientists who

3083
02:07:20,830 --> 02:07:18,080
developed the remote remote viewing

3084
02:07:23,650 --> 02:07:20,840
program at abyss RI with how put off the

3085
02:07:25,450 --> 02:07:23,660
show and and Russell Russell told me on

3086
02:07:26,980 --> 02:07:25,460
the phone and a long conversation with

3087
02:07:29,260 --> 02:07:26,990
him on one occasion he said Richard in

3088
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:29,270
the early 1980s I was charged with

3089
02:07:32,770 --> 02:07:31,130
training remote viewers at a Fort Meade

3090
02:07:34,660 --> 02:07:32,780
Maryland whose job was to remote view

3091
02:07:35,860 --> 02:07:34,670
the far side of the Moon it's exactly

3092
02:07:37,150 --> 02:07:35,870
what he said to me and there was a

3093
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:37,160
little bit of a pause I said well why

3094
02:07:40,330 --> 02:07:38,450
would they do that Russell because I

3095
02:07:41,710 --> 02:07:40,340
want him to tell me I didn't want to be

3096
02:07:43,390 --> 02:07:41,720
the one to blur to that he said well why

3097
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:43,400
do you think we threw it right back at

3098
02:07:45,580 --> 02:07:45,050
me and I said okay well were they

3099
02:07:47,410 --> 02:07:45,590
looking for

3100
02:07:49,210 --> 02:07:47,420
et on the back side of the mountain he

3101
02:07:50,530 --> 02:07:49,220
said yes that's what their job was they

3102
02:07:51,070 --> 02:07:50,540
were gonna look for et on the back side

3103
02:07:52,990 --> 02:07:51,080
of the moon

3104
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:53,000
I'm not joking that's what he said to me

3105
02:07:57,220 --> 02:07:55,130
but I said did they find ET and he said

3106
02:07:59,800 --> 02:07:57,230
well that wasn't part of my job I don't

3107
02:08:00,970 --> 02:07:59,810
know I will say and I've always said

3108
02:08:02,770 --> 02:08:00,980
this that I believe that he was telling

3109
02:08:04,630 --> 02:08:02,780
me the truth and if you've got a program

3110
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:04,640
we got remote viewers looking for ET on

3111
02:08:08,230 --> 02:08:06,410
the far side of the Moon you're not just

3112
02:08:09,850 --> 02:08:08,240
going to be doing that on a lark you

3113
02:08:11,320 --> 02:08:09,860
gotta have a reason to think that you're

3114
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:11,330
gonna find ET on the far side of the

3115
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:12,530
Moon and that tells me that there's a

3116
02:08:15,250 --> 02:08:14,480
class about component of a u.s. space

3117
02:08:16,990 --> 02:08:15,260
program

3118
02:08:18,790 --> 02:08:17,000
almost certainly that has to do with the

3119
02:08:22,630 --> 02:08:18,800
far side of the Moon what about that

3120
02:08:25,540 --> 02:08:22,640
strange object on a large asteroid that

3121
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:25,550
way yes no it's serious it's fascinating

3122
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:27,650
it's absolutely fascinating me and I'm

3123
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:29,450
following it like anybody else I don't

3124
02:08:32,740 --> 02:08:31,010
think I have any better insights it's

3125
02:08:35,860 --> 02:08:32,750
you know you've got astronomers saying

3126
02:08:38,230 --> 02:08:35,870
it could be ice reflection it doesn't

3127
02:08:40,060 --> 02:08:38,240
look like it would be to me but I don't

3128
02:08:41,890 --> 02:08:40,070
date these people yet about it I think

3129
02:08:44,410 --> 02:08:41,900
it's fascinating I mean it's very

3130
02:08:47,140 --> 02:08:44,420
interesting well before we get to a

3131
02:08:49,930 --> 02:08:47,150
couple of other I think topics that are

3132
02:08:52,690 --> 02:08:49,940
gonna take a little bit of time it was a

3133
02:08:54,280 --> 02:08:52,700
good question from pakusa who's it

3134
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:54,290
doesn't come out and ask questions very

3135
02:08:58,030 --> 02:08:56,000
often but you brought them out or her

3136
02:09:00,640 --> 02:08:58,040
out I'm not sure it talks about

3137
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:00,650
disclosure that the big or little D

3138
02:09:04,570 --> 02:09:02,810
depending on how you want to look at it

3139
02:09:06,010 --> 02:09:04,580
but do you think it's possible the

3140
02:09:08,140 --> 02:09:06,020
reason there has been no formal

3141
02:09:10,090 --> 02:09:08,150
disclosure is the fact that the

3142
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:10,100
government or governments pretty much

3143
02:09:13,690 --> 02:09:12,050
only know what that there is something

3144
02:09:15,310 --> 02:09:13,700
strange going on in our skies but they

3145
02:09:17,650 --> 02:09:15,320
can't fully explain it or determine the

3146
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:17,660
nature and origin of the phenomenon they

3147
02:09:21,790 --> 02:09:19,370
basically have nothing substantial to

3148
02:09:24,130 --> 02:09:21,800
disclose other than the fact that UFOs

3149
02:09:26,110 --> 02:09:24,140
seem to exist but they don't know what

3150
02:09:28,030 --> 02:09:26,120
they are or where they come from well

3151
02:09:30,540 --> 02:09:28,040
this is an argument that was actually

3152
02:09:34,930 --> 02:09:30,550
very dominant during the 1950s and 60s

3153
02:09:36,250 --> 02:09:34,940
and through most of the 70s where you

3154
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:36,260
know when the government was able to

3155
02:09:40,180 --> 02:09:38,570
state you know point-blank look it's

3156
02:09:41,620 --> 02:09:40,190
maybe there's a mystery here but we

3157
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:41,630
don't really know what it is and we're

3158
02:09:44,860 --> 02:09:43,280
doing the best we can and you know so

3159
02:09:46,570 --> 02:09:44,870
while we had Project Blue Book the

3160
02:09:48,130 --> 02:09:46,580
problem with that argument as I see it

3161
02:09:50,290 --> 02:09:48,140
anyway is that once you start getting

3162
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:50,300
into the late 1970s and you start

3163
02:09:54,580 --> 02:09:51,530
getting researchers like Leonard

3164
02:09:58,660 --> 02:09:54,590
Stringfield primarily who start having

3165
02:10:01,990 --> 02:09:58,670
stories come to him about crash

3166
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:02,000
retrievals about bodies not just one or

3167
02:10:07,620 --> 02:10:04,250
two but dozens and scores of them and

3168
02:10:10,810 --> 02:10:07,630
you start getting you know other other

3169
02:10:12,820 --> 02:10:10,820
researchers looking into what appear to

3170
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:12,830
me anyway to be legitimate cases of

3171
02:10:16,780 --> 02:10:15,410
retrieval of down to UFOs let's do the

3172
02:10:19,150 --> 02:10:16,790
brain here and we'll find out more about

3173
02:10:21,250 --> 02:10:19,160
that in Leonard Stringfield whom I knew

3174
02:10:27,379 --> 02:10:21,260
very slightly years ago Richard Dolan

3175
02:10:33,689 --> 02:10:31,140
great minds think alike the network for

3176
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:33,699
the independent finding the genesis

3177
02:10:39,180 --> 02:10:35,530
communications network

3178
02:10:41,339 --> 02:10:39,190
G see have you ever wondered if you

3179
02:10:43,500 --> 02:10:41,349
could make electric light or heat in

3180
02:10:45,450 --> 02:10:43,510
your home for free how about a motor

3181
02:10:47,850 --> 02:10:45,460
that charges batteries at the same time

3182
02:10:49,740 --> 02:10:47,860
what if this also restores useless

3183
02:10:51,390 --> 02:10:49,750
batteries and saves you lots of money

3184
02:10:53,879 --> 02:10:51,400
come to our renaissance charge

3185
02:10:55,439 --> 02:10:53,889
conference workshop on august 15th and

3186
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visit our - charge com that's our -

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3191
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four this is Dan pilla do you owe the

3192
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IRS money you can't pay our tax debts

3193
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crippling you I've defended people from

3194
02:11:17,729 --> 02:11:15,760
the IRS for over thirty years I've

3195
02:11:19,589 --> 02:11:17,739
helped thousands and I can help you - I

3196
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wrote the book on IRS settlement and I'm

3197
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:21,369
telling you there's no such thing as a

3198
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hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

3199
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get free of IRS debt with the IRS as new

3200
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programs there's never been a better

3201
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time to solve your problem call 834 no

3202
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tax that's eight hundred three four no

3203
02:11:41,549 --> 02:11:40,179
tax or my website Dan pillow calm as if

3204
02:11:44,609 --> 02:11:41,559
chlorine in our water weren't bad enough

3205
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now they're adding ammonia it's true

3206
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some of this apologies are now adding

3207
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ammonia plus chlorine to your water

3208
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supply

3209
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it's disinfectant called chloramine but

3210
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with a trusted big berkey water filter

3211
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you can keep chloramine out of your

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show epa berkey water filters remove

3214
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chloramines pharmaceuticals bpa

3215
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pesticides bacteria and viruses all

3216
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forms of fluoride and much more big

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berkey water filters are the original

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and most trusted on the market the gold

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filters last four years at less than two

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cents per gallon big berkey the one it's

3222
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powerful enough to purify stagnant pond

3223
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water get your big berkey today call one

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3227
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two water filters for the love of clean

3228
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:40,860
water honey it's time for dinner

3229
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:42,480
what are you doing over there on your

3230
02:12:47,390 --> 02:12:44,490
computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

3231
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:47,400
mine is falling apart hey did you know

3232
02:12:51,170 --> 02:12:49,530
there's a company called ID stronghold

3233
02:12:52,940 --> 02:12:51,180
that makes shielded wallets to prevent

3234
02:12:54,050 --> 02:12:52,950
electronic pickpocketing well I didn't

3235
02:12:56,540 --> 02:12:54,060
realize there was such a thing as

3236
02:12:58,460 --> 02:12:56,550
electronic pickpocketing what is that

3237
02:13:00,320 --> 02:12:58,470
well apparently many of the new credit

3238
02:13:02,930 --> 02:13:00,330
and debit cards being issued have radio

3239
02:13:04,820 --> 02:13:02,940
chips inside them called RFID the

3240
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:04,830
transmitter banking information to card

3241
02:13:08,990 --> 02:13:07,290
readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

3242
02:13:10,820 --> 02:13:09,000
guy can also get one of these readers

3243
02:13:12,440 --> 02:13:10,830
and go around the city scanning people

3244
02:13:14,330 --> 02:13:12,450
collecting their credit card numbers and

3245
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:14,340
personal information without us knowing

3246
02:13:18,860 --> 02:13:17,250
it wow that sounds scary since you're

3247
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:18,870
getting a new wallet anyway you should

3248
02:13:23,090 --> 02:13:20,880
definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

3249
02:13:25,070 --> 02:13:23,100
wallet are they more expensive no in

3250
02:13:27,170 --> 02:13:25,080
fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

3251
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:27,180
from ID stronghold calm for the same

3252
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:29,130
price or less than regular unshielded

3253
02:13:33,860 --> 02:13:31,770
wallets from other stores sounds great

3254
02:13:35,570 --> 02:13:33,870
my wallet isn't falling apart yet let me

3255
02:13:37,490 --> 02:13:35,580
pick one out to I want to be protected

3256
02:13:40,130 --> 02:13:37,500
and these wallets ID stronghold calm

3257
02:13:42,380 --> 02:13:40,140
look fantastic we live in a complicated

3258
02:13:44,090 --> 02:13:42,390
society stressful issues are always

3259
02:13:46,100 --> 02:13:44,100
popping up have you ever been treated

3260
02:13:48,050 --> 02:13:46,110
unfairly by someone have you ever been

3261
02:13:50,330 --> 02:13:48,060
overcharged for a repair have you ever

3262
02:13:52,700 --> 02:13:50,340
signed a contract or a document worried

3263
02:13:54,170 --> 02:13:52,710
about identity theft how many times have

3264
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:54,180
you been in those unique situations

3265
02:13:57,260 --> 02:13:55,530
where you just wanted to call an

3266
02:13:59,630 --> 02:13:57,270
attorney to find out if you're right or

3267
02:14:00,950 --> 02:13:59,640
wrong or what your legal rights are but

3268
02:14:02,570 --> 02:14:00,960
every time you think about calling an

3269
02:14:05,210 --> 02:14:02,580
attorney what do you think about first

3270
02:14:07,610 --> 02:14:05,220
that's right who do you call and how

3271
02:14:09,500 --> 02:14:07,620
much will it cost our friends at Legal

3272
02:14:12,410 --> 02:14:09,510
Shield have found a solution with a

3273
02:14:14,630 --> 02:14:12,420
nationwide network of 6900 attorneys who

3274
02:14:16,850 --> 02:14:14,640
average 19 years of experience legal

3275
02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:16,860
shields law firms take over 40,000 calls

3276
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:18,930
per week helping their members for less

3277
02:14:23,060 --> 02:14:21,090
than $20 per month you can have access

3278
02:14:24,980 --> 02:14:23,070
to legal shield on everything from the

3279
02:14:27,290 --> 02:14:24,990
trivial to the traumatic let legal

3280
02:14:29,540 --> 02:14:27,300
shields stand up for your rights at LS

3281
02:14:33,470 --> 02:14:29,550
protection calm that's a less protection

3282
02:14:35,510 --> 02:14:33,480
calm or call 855 3 4 0 save eight five

3283
02:14:37,610 --> 02:14:35,520
five three four zero seventy two eighty

3284
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:37,620
three results will vary from case to

3285
02:14:40,570 --> 02:14:44,650
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3286
02:14:48,620 --> 02:14:46,760
this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

3287
02:14:50,689 --> 02:14:48,630
report and you're listening to the para

3288
02:14:51,390 --> 02:14:50,699
cast the gold standard of paranormal

3289
02:14:59,090 --> 02:14:51,400
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3290
02:15:02,550 --> 02:14:59,100
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3291
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:02,560
okay all those cases of crash retrievals

3292
02:15:07,580 --> 02:15:05,440
I won't ask this question here so I I

3293
02:15:10,410 --> 02:15:07,590
personally think that there has been

3294
02:15:13,500 --> 02:15:10,420
acquisition of technology and probably

3295
02:15:16,230 --> 02:15:13,510
bodies and if you've got that far along

3296
02:15:19,290 --> 02:15:16,240
and to this then you can't really just

3297
02:15:20,580 --> 02:15:19,300
say oh well we've got this mystery and

3298
02:15:22,860 --> 02:15:20,590
we're we don't really know that it is

3299
02:15:25,230 --> 02:15:22,870
someone's got some information now what

3300
02:15:28,530 --> 02:15:25,240
I would say is that it's entirely

3301
02:15:31,250 --> 02:15:28,540
probable in my opinion that the United

3302
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:31,260
States president and the formal

3303
02:15:37,740 --> 02:15:34,570
structure of power is probably not

3304
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:37,750
completely in the loop on this I had a

3305
02:15:43,020 --> 02:15:40,210
conversation and again this is I don't

3306
02:15:45,600 --> 02:15:43,030
have a whole lot of anonymous

3307
02:15:47,670 --> 02:15:45,610
contacts but and I don't like actually

3308
02:15:49,560 --> 02:15:47,680
you know relying on them in discussion

3309
02:15:51,030 --> 02:15:49,570
but I I will just say this is an

3310
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:51,040
individual who was well known to me and

3311
02:15:56,430 --> 02:15:54,400
was well known to the world who was very

3312
02:15:57,810 --> 02:15:56,440
high up in the US intelligence community

3313
02:16:01,380 --> 02:15:57,820
had a long conversation with this

3314
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:01,390
gentleman about this topic and one thing

3315
02:16:04,650 --> 02:16:02,800
I said is how much the president's know

3316
02:16:05,970 --> 02:16:04,660
about UFOs or et or anything like that

3317
02:16:08,370 --> 02:16:05,980
and he said well some have known more

3318
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:08,380
than others and he made the very basic

3319
02:16:12,330 --> 02:16:09,970
statement to me is an exceptionally

3320
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:12,340
intelligent man that he said look

3321
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:14,560
presidents come and go some of them even

3322
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:16,480
some of them not psychologically

3323
02:16:20,430 --> 02:16:17,770
reliable is stable

3324
02:16:22,110 --> 02:16:20,440
some of them drink so he said this is

3325
02:16:24,450 --> 02:16:22,120
what george w bush was president during

3326
02:16:27,330 --> 02:16:24,460
this conversation and he said the lifers

3327
02:16:31,650 --> 02:16:27,340
they're here to stay they they know that

3328
02:16:33,121 --> 02:16:31,660
not every president really is is a good

3329
02:16:35,371 --> 02:16:33,131
person to be dealing with on his topic

3330
02:16:36,660 --> 02:16:35,381
and he said also what presidents of

3331
02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:36,670
public relations say you have to kiss

3332
02:16:39,270 --> 02:16:37,990
the baby isn't it to shake the hands of

3333
02:16:43,581 --> 02:16:39,280
dignitaries and all these other things

3334
02:16:45,780 --> 02:16:43,591
and you've got not simply the et

3335
02:16:49,050 --> 02:16:45,790
phenomena you have a whole array of

3336
02:16:50,371 --> 02:16:49,060
deeply classified black-budget programs

3337
02:16:53,371 --> 02:16:50,381
that have to be kept away from the

3338
02:16:56,041 --> 02:16:53,381
president for plausible deniability and

3339
02:16:57,720 --> 02:16:56,051
we all know about this so he said in

3340
02:17:00,541 --> 02:16:57,730
fact that some presidents have known and

3341
02:17:02,640 --> 02:17:00,551
some have not known some have known more

3342
02:17:05,850 --> 02:17:02,650
than others so if that being the case

3343
02:17:09,690 --> 02:17:05,860
then really what could a president even

3344
02:17:11,339 --> 02:17:09,700
disclose who would be the agency that

3345
02:17:13,979 --> 02:17:11,349
would have the knowledge

3346
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:13,989
to disclose this information it was like

3347
02:17:19,500 --> 02:17:16,569
the movie Independence Day where they

3348
02:17:22,469 --> 02:17:19,510
have that basic area 51 where's the

3349
02:17:26,609 --> 02:17:22,479
spaceship they've been captured and the

3350
02:17:29,189 --> 02:17:26,619
president knew nothing about it kind of

3351
02:17:30,359 --> 02:17:29,199
a grade school you I think at times is

3352
02:17:34,649 --> 02:17:30,369
when we look at our government and we

3353
02:17:36,919 --> 02:17:34,659
think our conversation about breakaway

3354
02:17:39,689 --> 02:17:36,929
civilizations that are probably you know

3355
02:17:41,459 --> 02:17:39,699
funded in in you know by the government

3356
02:17:45,719 --> 02:17:41,469
but me administered by private but the

3357
02:17:48,299 --> 02:17:45,729
private sector so you know if we do have

3358
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:48,309
that scenario where we have this

3359
02:17:53,700 --> 02:17:50,559
information and in the real juicy stuff

3360
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:53,710
is being held by in private hands I mean

3361
02:17:57,780 --> 02:17:55,599
it's out of out of reach of any sort of

3362
02:17:59,160 --> 02:17:57,790
government oversight I think that's

3363
02:18:00,599 --> 02:17:59,170
exactly right and a lot of the funding I

3364
02:18:02,429 --> 02:18:00,609
think is private anyway you've got a

3365
02:18:05,070 --> 02:18:02,439
whole narco trafficking industry of all

3366
02:18:08,969 --> 02:18:05,080
banking fraud industry where this money

3367
02:18:10,530 --> 02:18:08,979
goes missing and I I don't know for sure

3368
02:18:14,129 --> 02:18:10,540
where that money goes I'm not part of

3369
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:14,139
that club but I have to have been coming

3370
02:18:19,290 --> 02:18:16,479
out recently about the elite or

3371
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:19,300
preparing for the for the meltdown and

3372
02:18:23,459 --> 02:18:21,130
their underground bunkers and their

3373
02:18:24,990 --> 02:18:23,469
privately owned islands and in this sort

3374
02:18:27,660 --> 02:18:25,000
of thing do you think that's all just

3375
02:18:29,609 --> 02:18:27,670
sensationalism too too late the you know

3376
02:18:32,309 --> 02:18:29,619
the more conspiracy minded of us or I

3377
02:18:33,359 --> 02:18:32,319
think some of them I think some of these

3378
02:18:36,689 --> 02:18:33,369
stories that have leaked out are

3379
02:18:38,809 --> 02:18:36,699
probably bogus there was a story that

3380
02:18:41,580 --> 02:18:38,819
came to Camelot a few years ago about

3381
02:18:43,919 --> 02:18:41,590
Norwegian some I think Norwegian member

3382
02:18:45,479 --> 02:18:43,929
of government who said you know Nibiru

3383
02:18:46,830 --> 02:18:45,489
is coming I think that was it and we're

3384
02:18:48,540 --> 02:18:46,840
expecting you know we have to go into

3385
02:18:55,309 --> 02:18:48,550
our underground bunkers in them I was

3386
02:19:02,729 --> 02:18:58,109
they're still talking about this there

3387
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:02,739
was another story like that today you

3388
02:19:05,820 --> 02:19:04,000
think that they would that would be done

3389
02:19:08,219 --> 02:19:05,830
by now but alright good mean 2012 came

3390
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:08,229
and went and you know but no I think

3391
02:19:13,259 --> 02:19:10,719
that those people at the very top of the

3392
02:19:17,549 --> 02:19:13,269
human pyramids I have we have to assume

3393
02:19:21,419 --> 02:19:17,559
that they've got they've got their you

3394
02:19:24,669 --> 02:19:21,429
know emergency plans in order of course

3395
02:19:27,759 --> 02:19:24,679
they have to and the ability to have

3396
02:19:29,490 --> 02:19:27,769
Vista cated large underground bases

3397
02:19:33,969 --> 02:19:29,500
we've had that capability for

3398
02:19:35,979 --> 02:19:33,979
generations and the technology to build

3399
02:19:37,929 --> 02:19:35,989
them the money to do it has all been

3400
02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:37,939
there for decades and decades and

3401
02:19:42,490 --> 02:19:39,529
decades and that includes by the way

3402
02:19:43,809 --> 02:19:42,500
under the floors of the oceans as long

3403
02:19:45,309 --> 02:19:43,819
as the geology is right you can do it

3404
02:19:47,530 --> 02:19:45,319
all you need is oxygen and you need a

3405
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:47,540
source of energy and if you know how to

3406
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:49,010
take oxygen out of the water which we've

3407
02:19:52,420 --> 02:19:51,170
been able to do since the 50s no problem

3408
02:19:55,150 --> 02:19:52,430
you have a little source of geothermal

3409
02:19:57,729 --> 02:19:55,160
or even nuclear you're good to go so you

3410
02:19:59,620 --> 02:19:57,739
could really have a secure base almost

3411
02:20:02,710 --> 02:19:59,630
really anywhere one of your former

3412
02:20:05,530 --> 02:20:02,720
authors Richard solder he spent years

3413
02:20:08,019 --> 02:20:05,540
coming through every appropriations bill

3414
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:08,029
passed by Congress administration by

3415
02:20:12,820 --> 02:20:10,010
administration by administration and

3416
02:20:17,469 --> 02:20:12,830
could find not a single dime or penny of

3417
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:17,479
funding for 127 acknowledged underground

3418
02:20:21,790 --> 02:20:19,370
facilities it's exactly right yeah

3419
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:21,800
Richard I've just communicated with him

3420
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:23,930
recently I published one of his books

3421
02:20:28,660 --> 02:20:25,370
hidden in plain sight which i think is

3422
02:20:31,389 --> 02:20:28,670
his best book honestly and he's done

3423
02:20:32,830 --> 02:20:31,399
great work there's always more work to

3424
02:20:34,330 --> 02:20:32,840
be done on this but you're exactly right

3425
02:20:36,939 --> 02:20:34,340
Chris and then yeah where did the money

3426
02:20:38,530 --> 02:20:36,949
go to fund it all these and then some of

3427
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:38,540
the plans that we know were on the table

3428
02:20:43,540 --> 02:20:42,050
where the money comes yeah well they've

3429
02:20:45,849 --> 02:20:43,550
been building basically I mean they they

3430
02:20:49,719 --> 02:20:45,859
the Germans were masters at it and we

3431
02:20:51,070 --> 02:20:49,729
appropriate that's right here's one you

3432
02:20:53,380 --> 02:20:51,080
mentioned that you have a deep throat

3433
02:20:55,599 --> 02:20:53,390
source and you know from time to time

3434
02:20:57,790 --> 02:20:55,609
sources do appear and it's happened to

3435
02:20:59,139 --> 02:20:57,800
me it's happened to you know most people

3436
02:21:01,540 --> 02:20:59,149
that really are serious about

3437
02:21:03,099 --> 02:21:01,550
investigating and in researching these

3438
02:21:05,380 --> 02:21:03,109
you know various subjects that we're

3439
02:21:07,660 --> 02:21:05,390
talking about on the podcast but this is

3440
02:21:09,550 --> 02:21:07,670
another question from Pegula Orpah gusta

3441
02:21:11,769 --> 02:21:09,560
he would like to know more about your

3442
02:21:15,189 --> 02:21:11,779
vetting process that you use when it

3443
02:21:17,469 --> 02:21:15,199
comes to sources and what criteria do

3444
02:21:19,420 --> 02:21:17,479
you have to determine if that source is

3445
02:21:21,370 --> 02:21:19,430
credible or not obviously looking them

3446
02:21:24,099 --> 02:21:21,380
in the eye and and seeing somebody

3447
02:21:27,099 --> 02:21:24,109
that's a little bit off kilter no that's

3448
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:27,109
that's always a red flag for me but in

3449
02:21:30,939 --> 02:21:28,970
some of these real qualified sources

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highly intelligent people don't want

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their name out there but they're either

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supporting things that you're saying

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leading you in a direction that's often

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a no telltale thing

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me legitimate legitimate point of

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legitimacy is when they don't tell you

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something but they suggest maybe you

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should start looking over here

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yeah well that those types of sources

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are an extremely minimal part of my of

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02:21:55,020 --> 02:21:52,630
my research it's very limited

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they've had some explosive things to say

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to me so how would I bet someone pays I

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have to know who they are I have to know

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the person is my best sources are our

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famous people themselves and I'm

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thinking of two in particular who are

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exceedingly well-known not only to

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myself one of them is very well known to

3470
02:22:17,970 --> 02:22:15,250
me the others fairly well known to me

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02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:17,980
and they're both highly public

3472
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personalities not that they're out in

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front of cameras but like you could

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google em and find out a lot of

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information about these people so and I

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know what their careers had been a lot

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02:22:33,780 --> 02:22:31,660
of that's public knowledge so when when

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I get a source like that and I get to

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sit down with them alone for like

3480
02:22:40,051 --> 02:22:37,750
several hours alone one on one which has

3481
02:22:42,690 --> 02:22:40,061
been the case of times yes I consider

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that more legitimate than then someone

3483
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just writes to me an anonymous email

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people who write to be anonymous emails

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02:22:53,820 --> 02:22:50,551
that's happened are not people whose

3486
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whose information I would ever use in a

3487
02:22:57,570 --> 02:22:56,261
public discussion ever like I would I

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would just not publish anything like

3489
02:23:01,320 --> 02:22:59,620
that I just I have I don't think I've

3490
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ever done that and I've never

3491
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incorporated any of those types of

3492
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statements in any of my writings or

3493
02:23:17,970 --> 02:23:14,650
public discourses people have come up to

3494
02:23:20,180 --> 02:23:17,980
me at conferences that I've spoken to

3495
02:23:23,370 --> 02:23:20,190
who have told me about some very bizarre

3496
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encounters that they have had people

3497
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ranging from retired Air Force colonel

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with PhDs to to housewives who never had

3499
02:23:38,940 --> 02:23:36,820
a career outside the house and and in

3500
02:23:40,680 --> 02:23:38,950
those cases like you know I take names

3501
02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:40,690
information I'd find out who they are

3502
02:23:48,511 --> 02:23:43,650
and then I just talk with them and and

3503
02:23:50,581 --> 02:23:48,521
in cases like that yeah right you know

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02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:50,591
if I'm lucky I get 1/2 hours there's one

3505
02:23:54,599 --> 02:23:51,850
exception to this rule

3506
02:23:57,300 --> 02:23:54,609
Richard and that is the anonymous source

3507
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:57,310
that comes forward and you have not

3508
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published information about a particular

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let's say sighting or or event or

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sighting wave and they synchronistically

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inadvertently confirm something that

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your your investigating that has not

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been published yet those I take

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hello this is for us mary ellen guiley

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and you're listening to the podcast the

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gold standard a paranormal radio

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doesn't he do that he's up there with

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pricey bowling yeah Redfern suck on that

3620
02:29:19,881 --> 02:29:15,730
Alejandro does very well also

3621
02:29:24,270 --> 02:29:22,921
not sure Richard I say the craziest

3622
02:29:26,581 --> 02:29:24,280
things that I'm alone in my house but

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02:29:29,310 --> 02:29:26,591
well that's why you're probably talking

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to yourself because they're people right

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02:29:36,841 --> 02:29:30,671
now in the your neighborhood we're just

3626
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:36,851
running out screaming oh all right

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02:29:42,780 --> 02:29:39,490
where's the show about I forgotten or in

3628
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the final the final throes yeah we are

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somewhere I haven't figured out where

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suck on this suck oh it's always plural

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02:29:50,970 --> 02:29:49,120
if you say that means

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it's not sexist or massages well you

3633
02:29:56,161 --> 02:29:53,471
know this is gonna be a little excessive

3634
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folks let's try our remaining nine

3635
02:30:00,541 --> 02:29:58,450
minutes or so to deal with a few more

3636
02:30:04,411 --> 02:30:00,551
listener questions are we recording this

3637
02:30:07,381 --> 02:30:04,421
now or not yes yeah don't include any of

3638
02:30:12,541 --> 02:30:07,391
the things that I just said it's too

3639
02:30:18,480 --> 02:30:12,551
late damn you Steinberg I'm a lot more

3640
02:30:20,881 --> 02:30:18,490
fun off-camera I admittedly oh my

3641
02:30:24,331 --> 02:30:20,891
goodness oh man you're you're in trouble

3642
02:30:25,980 --> 02:30:24,341
dude I guess we just but good thing you

3643
02:30:29,640 --> 02:30:25,990
used the S at the end of the B word

3644
02:30:32,461 --> 02:30:29,650
groan one listener questions okay Eric

3645
02:30:34,801 --> 02:30:32,471
the red again asked 13 questions and and

3646
02:30:37,230 --> 02:30:34,811
I think some of them are very very good

3647
02:30:39,720 --> 02:30:37,240
this is one that I think you'll

3648
02:30:41,041 --> 02:30:39,730
appreciate a lot in in he's wondering

3649
02:30:43,171 --> 02:30:41,051
about your sense of what the current

3650
02:30:45,301 --> 02:30:43,181
size and activity of the so-called

3651
02:30:47,161 --> 02:30:45,311
invisible college of academics who are

3652
02:30:48,780 --> 02:30:47,171
interested in the UFO subject of course

3653
02:30:52,621 --> 02:30:48,790
invisible college I think was a term

3654
02:30:54,541 --> 02:30:52,631
that Valley came up with in the 70s I

3655
02:30:57,360 --> 02:30:54,551
think late 60s early 70s

3656
02:30:59,220 --> 02:30:57,370
what is its historical trend first of

3657
02:31:03,301 --> 02:30:59,230
all you know what you know the what's

3658
02:31:05,881 --> 02:31:03,311
the history of this term and has there

3659
02:31:09,091 --> 02:31:05,891
been more or less interest over time by

3660
02:31:11,251 --> 02:31:09,101
these academics and then he says in a

3661
02:31:13,051 --> 02:31:11,261
related way how often are you contacted

3662
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:13,061
by academics who expressed discrete

3663
02:31:16,350 --> 02:31:15,370
interest in the topic of UFOs but are

3664
02:31:19,051 --> 02:31:16,360
afraid to make this

3665
02:31:21,150 --> 02:31:19,061
just known publicly because let me ask

3666
02:31:22,381 --> 02:31:21,160
it is a good question I don't know if

3667
02:31:23,310 --> 02:31:22,391
I'm able to answer all of it to be

3668
02:31:24,810 --> 02:31:23,320
honest with you

3669
02:31:30,081 --> 02:31:24,820
yeah valet coined that phrase in the

3670
02:31:32,791 --> 02:31:30,091
early 70s I think and I I get periodic

3671
02:31:34,980 --> 02:31:32,801
inquiries correspondents from academics

3672
02:31:36,751 --> 02:31:34,990
many of whom are retired a high

3673
02:31:38,190 --> 02:31:36,761
percentage of them a retired academics

3674
02:31:40,831 --> 02:31:38,200
so that tells you something right and

3675
02:31:42,301 --> 02:31:40,841
that right there they don't feel

3676
02:31:45,081 --> 02:31:42,311
comfortable writing to me until they're

3677
02:31:48,150 --> 02:31:45,091
they don't have any job security worries

3678
02:31:50,700 --> 02:31:48,160
that has happened I did I had one very

3679
02:31:52,770 --> 02:31:50,710
interesting academic who contacted me as

3680
02:31:55,410 --> 02:31:52,780
a number of years ago I told me he was a

3681
02:31:59,581 --> 02:31:55,420
department chair over at UCLA's is not a

3682
02:32:01,200 --> 02:31:59,591
not insignificant man and he called

3683
02:32:02,850 --> 02:32:01,210
actually just to tell me he admired my

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02:32:06,541 --> 02:32:02,860
work and I was gratified to hear that

3685
02:32:08,700 --> 02:32:06,551
and I said why are you whispering into

3686
02:32:10,440 --> 02:32:08,710
the phone and he didn't realize he was

3687
02:32:11,881 --> 02:32:10,450
whispering but he had been and he

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02:32:14,100 --> 02:32:11,891
laughed he said oh I guess I would don't

3689
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:14,110
want my my colleagues to be aware that

3690
02:32:17,041 --> 02:32:15,610
I'm interested in this subject it

3691
02:32:20,370 --> 02:32:17,051
wouldn't go very well for me which is of

3692
02:32:23,671 --> 02:32:20,380
course it's the rule in academia I get

3693
02:32:27,060 --> 02:32:23,681
I'll get like a couple of PhDs in

3694
02:32:29,820 --> 02:32:27,070
academics university people each year

3695
02:32:31,801 --> 02:32:29,830
who will write to me as fans or actually

3696
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:31,811
increasingly now people working on their

3697
02:32:38,100 --> 02:32:35,490
ph these younger people I'm finding are

3698
02:32:40,530 --> 02:32:38,110
are interested and are writing to me

3699
02:32:42,030 --> 02:32:40,540
about this which I find encouraging but

3700
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:42,040
I don't know how large this invisible

3701
02:32:46,381 --> 02:32:44,530
college is I don't really have my finger

3702
02:32:47,820 --> 02:32:46,391
on that pulse anymore I've been out of

3703
02:32:48,301 --> 02:32:47,830
the academic world myself for a long

3704
02:32:52,591 --> 02:32:48,311
time

3705
02:32:54,930 --> 02:32:52,601
I don't know well okay and I can

3706
02:32:57,480 --> 02:32:54,940
appreciate that of course valet you know

3707
02:32:59,011 --> 02:32:57,490
being mr. mover and shaker and high an

3708
02:33:01,921 --> 02:32:59,021
expert O'Shea and all that you know

3709
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:01,931
fifty years ago I mean he was in a much

3710
02:33:06,600 --> 02:33:04,570
better place to to garner that sort of

3711
02:33:10,440 --> 02:33:06,610
you know I think at the time sort of

3712
02:33:11,761 --> 02:33:10,450
innocent interest by academia the

3713
02:33:13,921 --> 02:33:11,771
environment was a lot different back

3714
02:33:15,841 --> 02:33:13,931
then than it is now or when you started

3715
02:33:18,841 --> 02:33:15,851
getting involved in the late 90s but

3716
02:33:21,930 --> 02:33:18,851
this is a really good question and and

3717
02:33:23,400 --> 02:33:21,940
this is one that I don't think anybody's

3718
02:33:25,591 --> 02:33:23,410
ever asked me this and I'd be very

3719
02:33:27,541 --> 02:33:25,601
interested to get your answer from your

3720
02:33:28,900 --> 02:33:27,551
initial encounter with the UFO topic

3721
02:33:30,910 --> 02:33:28,910
until now

3722
02:33:33,219 --> 02:33:30,920
have you undergone any dark night of the

3723
02:33:35,350 --> 02:33:33,229
soul in trying to reconcile where you

3724
02:33:36,610 --> 02:33:35,360
think the evidence is pointing with the

3725
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:36,620
fact that the majority of our most

3726
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:38,530
prestigious scientists and academics

3727
02:33:45,100 --> 02:33:41,450
presumably reject the UFO subject as a

3728
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:45,110
field worthy of study have you found

3729
02:33:50,350 --> 02:33:47,200
this alien aiding or cause for

3730
02:33:57,070 --> 02:33:50,360
self-doubt yes all of it all have you

3731
02:33:58,810 --> 02:33:57,080
ever Lena wait yes is it you that's

3732
02:34:00,100 --> 02:33:58,820
crazy or is it the world basically

3733
02:34:02,830 --> 02:34:00,110
there's no scene I've ever had that

3734
02:34:05,260 --> 02:34:02,840
thought absolutely yes I have more than

3735
02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:05,270
once and you know I mean it would be it

3736
02:34:08,650 --> 02:34:06,860
would be foolish and dishonest to say oh

3737
02:34:10,929 --> 02:34:08,660
no I've never had doubts about any of

3738
02:34:12,610 --> 02:34:10,939
the things that I've concluded because I

3739
02:34:15,370 --> 02:34:12,620
haven't I haven't shaken hands with an

3740
02:34:18,340 --> 02:34:15,380
alien being I haven't seen a UFO land in

3741
02:34:19,660 --> 02:34:18,350
front of my house I've seen on two

3742
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:19,670
occasions what I think might have been

3743
02:34:24,570 --> 02:34:22,160
an interesting UFO personally but that's

3744
02:34:28,540 --> 02:34:24,580
fairly pedestrian to be honest with you

3745
02:34:30,460 --> 02:34:28,550
so this is the difficulty of this field

3746
02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:30,470
which is that you're researching you're

3747
02:34:35,620 --> 02:34:33,200
walking this line on and on one side of

3748
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:35,630
it is evidence that that you acquire

3749
02:34:39,910 --> 02:34:38,090
that I've acquired that many people have

3750
02:34:42,219 --> 02:34:39,920
acquired through documentation through

3751
02:34:44,230 --> 02:34:42,229
sightings and through testimony and so

3752
02:34:47,380 --> 02:34:44,240
forth and some of that's very very

3753
02:34:49,450 --> 02:34:47,390
powerful that's why I'm in this field

3754
02:34:51,429 --> 02:34:49,460
I think the declassified documents are

3755
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:51,439
extremely powerful on the other side of

3756
02:34:55,660 --> 02:34:54,080
it where I live in a world we live in a

3757
02:34:57,310 --> 02:34:55,670
world where there is no official

3758
02:34:59,050 --> 02:34:57,320
acknowledgement of the reality of this

3759
02:35:01,150 --> 02:34:59,060
phenomenon where it is ridiculed where

3760
02:35:03,450 --> 02:35:01,160
it's ignored by the established

3761
02:35:05,889 --> 02:35:03,460
intellectual hierarchy of our society

3762
02:35:08,139 --> 02:35:05,899
long tail subject to cocktail parties

3763
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:08,149
subject and on top of the fact that I

3764
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:11,120
personally have not had what I would say

3765
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:15,920
is personal interactive proof so in lieu

3766
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:17,450
of that there's always going to be a

3767
02:35:24,490 --> 02:35:21,050
area of doubt when you're moving down

3768
02:35:26,350 --> 02:35:24,500
this path of exploring it but we have to

3769
02:35:29,830 --> 02:35:26,360
keep in mind I mean my way of resolving

3770
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:29,840
it is is to remind myself that all

3771
02:35:35,251 --> 02:35:32,570
explorers of the human pasts I mean

3772
02:35:37,980 --> 02:35:35,261
every single one when they're going down

3773
02:35:39,331 --> 02:35:37,990
when they're going into the ocean or

3774
02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:39,341
they're going into new intellectual

3775
02:35:42,030 --> 02:35:41,200
paths the fact is that they don't know

3776
02:35:44,730 --> 02:35:42,040
where they're gonna end up either

3777
02:35:46,140 --> 02:35:44,740
they're going on it's partly based on

3778
02:35:48,060 --> 02:35:46,150
their knowledge and on their best guess

3779
02:35:51,451 --> 02:35:48,070
and partly on an act of faith a leap of

3780
02:35:55,261 --> 02:35:51,461
faith that their reason is taking them

3781
02:35:58,140 --> 02:35:55,271
into a fertile area of exploration and

3782
02:36:01,140 --> 02:35:58,150
that's that's what this is and so you've

3783
02:36:03,211 --> 02:36:01,150
got it's human nature to freak out every

3784
02:36:05,610 --> 02:36:03,221
now and then and say what am i doing oh

3785
02:36:09,121 --> 02:36:05,620
I've done it you know and it happened

3786
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:09,131
more in the early years then recently I

3787
02:36:13,320 --> 02:36:11,290
mean you I've learned to develop a very

3788
02:36:15,541 --> 02:36:13,330
thick skin being in this field if you're

3789
02:36:17,610 --> 02:36:15,551
gonna be public in the field of UFO

3790
02:36:19,801 --> 02:36:17,620
research in any way you better have a

3791
02:36:23,041 --> 02:36:19,811
thick skin or don't even bother so a lot

3792
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:23,051
of things that come at me honestly like

3793
02:36:26,251 --> 02:36:24,730
they would have bothered me 15 years ago

3794
02:36:28,350 --> 02:36:26,261
they don't they don't even register now

3795
02:36:30,600 --> 02:36:28,360
I actually literally don't care but most

3796
02:36:32,310 --> 02:36:30,610
of it intellectually though I mean I

3797
02:36:34,350 --> 02:36:32,320
went through a number of dark nights the

3798
02:36:35,610 --> 02:36:34,360
sole primarily in terms of reconciling

3799
02:36:37,650 --> 02:36:35,620
what I thought I knew about the world

3800
02:36:39,810 --> 02:36:37,660
and what what this phenomenon seems to

3801
02:36:41,820 --> 02:36:39,820
be telling me and it's it's shattered

3802
02:36:44,671 --> 02:36:41,830
and made me reform my own paradigm a

3803
02:36:46,020 --> 02:36:44,681
reality a number of times since well

3804
02:36:47,881 --> 02:36:46,030
then would you tell our listeners where

3805
02:36:50,881 --> 02:36:47,891
they can find more of the stuff that you

3806
02:36:52,951 --> 02:36:50,891
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3807
02:36:54,690 --> 02:36:52,961
Richard Dolan Press comm that's got my

3808
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3809
02:36:58,171 --> 02:36:56,351
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3810
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3815
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02:37:13,171 --> 02:37:10,240
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3821
02:37:24,751 --> 02:37:22,030
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3854
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3855
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3856
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